BoredErica
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Maybe bad sound was their intended design choice.
Because you aren't listening to an actual orchestra in your living room, but a recording of it?If you sit in a concert hall you don't have a tailing off HF response, so why would you want one listening to your stereo system?
B&W pays zero attention to directivity. If its good its good by accident not by design. And lets not talk about that port resonance, there is no way in hell you are going to tell me that is what B&W thinks that's anywhere near acceptable. It wouldn't be acceptable in a $150 speaker, let alone a speaker in this price range.If BW have awesome directivity, distorsion, integration, good inert cabinet and only the '' FR '' sucks... that's perfectly fine, because the harman target at the end it's only a courple of preferences.
For example in HEADPHONES or IEMS ( which many don't care ), most of people never ask for a flat FR :
But i don't get why the D4 FR looks ugly than the D3, the D3 series are very easy to EQ.
For example in HEADPHONES or IEMS ( which many don't care ), most of people never ask for a flat FR
harman target at the end it's only a courple of preferences.
Now online.804D4 on Stereophile Jan/22 issue. Quite impressive port resonances for a 12.5k usd pair of speakers. At least JA was fair in criticizing them.
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Have you heard the 706 S2?Because you aren't listening to an actual orchestra in your living room, but a recording of it?
Hard to figure out if your question is genuine or bait....
B&W pays zero attention to directivity. If its good its good by accident not by design. And lets not talk about that port resonance, there is no way in hell you are going to tell me that is what B&W thinks that's anywhere near acceptable. It wouldn't be acceptable in a $150 speaker, let alone a speaker in this price range.
And why not just have a flat FR and equalize it to taste from there? Don't forget the Harman Target curve is basically a slope. Preferences are mostly based on the angle of the slope. Nobody prefers a rollercoaster of a frequency response that goes up and down randomly. Smooth is the keyword.
Yes, total mess of a speaker.Have you heard the 706 S2?
It's hard to tell if your answer is genuine or bait.Yes, total mess of a speaker.
I think you failed there and misunderstood why it was hard to figure out if your original question about concerts was bait or not. But whatever, I'm not going to bother to explain things that are elementary.It's hard to tell if your answer is genuine or bait.
Perhaps you take life far too seriously, but my question was valid. Why would you want rolled off treble when in your listening seat?I think you failed there and misunderstood why it was hard to figure out if your original question about concerts was bait or not. But whatever, I'm not going to bother to explain things that are elementary.
Because a steady state frequency response at the listening position captured by a typical omnidirectional mic doesn't really tell how humans perceive the tonality. Humans mainly perceive the tonality above the transition frequency from the direct sound, which is a reason why many automatic room correction products make things worse, more about it here in the first link of my signature.Why would you want rolled off treble when in your listening seat?
I'm not going to explain elementary concepts which you can figure out by simple deduction to you.Perhaps you take life far too seriously, but my question was valid. Why would you want rolled off treble when in your listening seat?
It's a judgement made by the listener. A subjective assessment that large numbers of B&W purchasers obviously don't agree with. Nobody buys speakers based purely on measurements.I'm not going to explain elementary concepts which you can figure out by simple deduction to you.
Very descriptive. I think they sound excellent, especially on orchestral works.Yes, total mess of a speaker.
The tonality is a bit odd. Bass is pretty good, but the high midrange and treble feels unbalanced. Sometimes its a bit recessed, but at other times its very bright. If you compare it side by side to good loudspeakers its pretty evident.Very descriptive. I think they sound excellent, especially on orchestral works.
True, they can help you find loudspeakers you also like. So if you like B&W you like an uneven frequency response and measurements will help you find more loudspeakers like that, so you can more easily find loudspeakers you enjoy. Like I said before, not everybody aims for high fidelity.It's a judgement made by the listener. A subjective assessment that large numbers of B&W purchasers obviously don't agree with. Nobody buys speakers based purely on measurements.
Is that true? As a B&W owner, I know that my next speaker purchase will be based off of a selection of speakers based on good measurements auditioned in my own listening space. This will be different to my purchase of my current speakers. They were bought under the influence of an audiophile friend and his subjective opinion. I’ve since educated myself. Measured distortion, port resonance, off-axis response, etc, are all measurable and all have an impact on what a speaker will sound like in a space. That is all useful information that informs a buyer. To ignore it seems naive and somewhat ridiculous. Would you buy a car not interested in its fuel economy, brake horsepower, number of seats, baggage space, etc? Ignoring measurements is to ignore incredibly useful information that informs a good purchasing decision.Nobody buys speakers based purely on measurements.
The speakers I decided on, the 706 S2, were bought because of good reviews from many sources on the proviso that I could exchange them if I didn't like them. I love them. Sadly nobody has measured that particular model AFAIK so, I had nothing but the manufacturer spec to go on. Most speakers on the market haven't been independently measured and tested in that way, unlike cars.Is that true? As a B&W owner, I know that my next speaker purchase will be based off of a selection of speakers based on good measurements auditioned in my own listening space. This will be different to my purchase of my current speakers. They were bought under the influence of an audiophile friend and his subjective opinion. I’ve since educated myself. Measured distortion, port resonance, off-axis response, etc, are all measurable and all have an impact on what a speaker will sound like in a space. That is all useful information that informs a buyer. To ignore it seems naive and somewhat ridiculous. Would you buy a car not interested in its fuel economy, brake horsepower, number of seats, baggage space, etc? Ignoring measurements is to ignore incredibly useful information that informs a good purchasing decision.