Audyssey's Next Generation of Room Correction (MultEQ-X)

[sweetchaos]

Done. Added 2 more poll options.

 

[Alice of Old Vincennes]

To be fair it's a $350 9-channel 2018 model that saw contemporaneous Denon's (like the X3500) also measuring poorly--nevermind all the boutique NAD/Anthem models that have also bench tested horribly. The 2021 models may or may not pass the Audio Precision's muster, but barring some aspect that's completely broken, equalization quality will trump dubiously audible bench results many many many times over.

I believe NAD/Anthem left the boutique train station long, long ago.

 

[Haint]

Then cuddle up with your preferred mix and move on.

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean, or how it's a relevant response to what seems like valid and well supported criticism.

I agree, it’s odd to me how upset some of these posts are. Yes, Audyssey could have done a better job with pricing, but no one is forcing us to install this for our AVRs to function.

You don’t like Audyssey or D&M AVRs or how this is priced, vote with your wallet and make your next AVR another brand.

For now I’ll stick with the app, and wait to see how this add on tool progresses in features and maybe a better pricing structure.

I'm not sure how you could have drawn any other conclusion from my posts besides that, I'm pretty sure I referenced it in every one.

 

[KMO]

Should be easy if seller cooperates.

Would be with Audyssey Pro, which was designed to work off-line. That actually had a simple license key, so the seller could generate it and the buyer could type it in for a month's use.

This set-up might need the user to be actually logged into whatever account for direct verification.

 

[Alice of Old Vincennes]

Would be with Audyssey Pro, which was designed to work off-line. That actually had a simple license key, so the seller could generate it and the buyer could type it in for a month's use.

This set-up might need the user to be actually logged into whatever account for direct verification.

This greed will be turnoff.

 

[Trell]

Sound United posted their video on Youtube 3hrs ago:

It's 1.5hr long.

At 38:00 in the clip they Audyssey guy starts talking about a special cable to adapt the old Pro kit to the AVR, and is inserted between the preamp and the AVR. The cable can be long, up to one km. Price and when available not decided yet, but prototypes have been made and tested.

Can't use an USB mic as it needs to be connected to the mic input on the AVR, but they plan to release individually calibrated mics that are not as expensive as the old Pro kit mic and is more consumer friendly. Price and availability to be decided.

Nothing said in the clip (or I missed it) about using my own audio interface where I can route the mic in to analog out and thus use my own measurement microphone. @Kal Rubinson posted earlier that he asked that question in the session but did not receive an answer.

Currently this appears to be a Windows app with improved UI (non-touch editor of PEQ), some smaller changes, but not that much different than the Android/iOS app available for a tenth of the price and without the new onerous licensing scheme.

It's commendable that an app like this is released at all, but I think I'll wait with upgrading my 2015 model Denon AVR-X4200W that does not support the Android/iOS app nor, of course, the new Windows app. Use of my own measurement mic would make me reconsider, though.

 

[jhaider]

Done. Added 2 more poll options.

I think there should be two more.

-Current owner, regardless of price and licensing the current feature set is not compelling; won’t buy now but open to if it is improved

-Current owner, regardless of price and licensing the lack of a macOS version precludes purchase. Will see where it is when they upgrade to macOS.

Honestly I think the focus on the onerous licensing terms is crowding our discussion of the merits of the product. My quick take is the iOS app adds more value, regardless of price.

 

[Steve Dallas]

At 38:00 in the clip they Audyssey guy starts talking about a special cable to adapt the old Pro kit to the AVR, and is inserted between the preamp and the AVR. The cable can be long, up to one km. Price and when available not decided yet, but prototypes have been made and tested.

Can't use an USB mic as it needs to be connected to the mic input on the AVR, but they plan to release individually calibrated mics that are not as expensive as the old Pro kit mic and is more consumer friendly. Price and availability to be decided.

Nothing said in the clip (or I missed it) about using my own audio interface where I can route the mic in to analog out and thus use my own measurement microphone. @Kal Rubinson posted earlier that he asked that question in the session but did not receive an answer.

Currently this appears to be a Windows app with improved UI (non-touch editor of PEQ), some smaller changes, but not that much different than the Android/iOS app available for a tenth of the price and without the new onerous licensing scheme.

It's commendable that an app like this is released at all, but I think I'll wait with upgrading my 2015 model Denon AVR-X4200W that does not support the Android/iOS app nor, of course, the new Windows app. Use of my own measurement mic would make me reconsider, though.

At one point they mentioned you cannot use an external interface, because volume would be difficult to calibrate, and latency would throw off timing.

 

[Trell]

At one point they mentioned you cannot use an external interface, because volume would be difficult to calibrate, and latency would throw off timing.

Yes, the latency (or timing) was used to eliminate background noise but I must have missed the volume calibration. I just assumed that the end user would have to level match in any case, but that is something to be expected when using your own measurement microphone.

 

[Shanman]

Nice my old trusty AVR- X3300 is covered, but seeing as I got it new for $550, the $199 software is a strong no go.

 

[Puddingbuks]

Is there a mac version on the way?

Will this update make dual sub with different settings possible on a X4500H?

 

[Trell]

Is there a mac version on the way?

Will this update make dual sub with different settings possible on a X4500H?

My understanding that there is none planned but they apparently gonna make a survey to gauge the interest. My guess is that with a small number of users it it unlikely to happen, at least in the short term.

 

[JeffS7444]

At the 11:05 mark, Jeff Clark notes that this software will have most value for MultiEq XT32 users, due to XT32's greater range of capabilities. I'll probably give this new software a pass, because as the owner of a MultiEq-equipped receiver (not XT or XT32) it's not clear to me that I'll see much benefit versus the $20 iOS app that I already bought.

Not sure what to make of the pricing, but at least they've published the prices and made it easy for anyone to sample the software. Wish the $200 fee were tied to the hardware (where it might add a bit of resale value) but ultimately it might not make much difference unless you are a frequent upgrader.

 

[Trell]

You can see the majority of change from the App is simply being able to type in the FR points desired rather than using your finger. It's basically a better "Ratbuddy" at this point.

The Android/iOS UI design of the Audyssey app is awful when the only way to edit points is by touch&drag, and is an indication of incompetence by those responsible for the app (not necessarily the developers hired to write it). The app is in the useful but unusable category for important functionality.

On the free SVS app for their subwoofers you use sliders to change fr, boost and Q by touch for the three PEQ, but you can also click on arrows beside each slider for fine adjustment. That works pretty well.

 

[bigguyca]

Good post!
You know what's even funnier, over on AVS Forum there's a dedicated thread for the Editor app that's been up since 5-2017 when it was released and is now over 404 pages, 8075 posts long. You wouldn't believe the amount of posts that have been made whining, pissing, and moaning over the $20 they charge for the app. WTF, are you kidding me, $20 more dollars into a system they have thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars into already? I couldn't believe it, talk about CHEAP. LOL
I posted more than once IMO that the $20 was probably the best deal I got EVER in Hi Fi .
That was not well received by many.

Agreed.

AVS Forum, and unfortunately to too large a degree, this forum, are populated by what can be termed elementary school arithmetic audiophiles.

These folks have little to contribute and essentially understand nothing about the underlying technology, but they are quick to note that one option costs more than another The forum covering the editor application is prime example.

In almost any comparison of (1) two or more options there will be geniuses who manage to determine, likely after extensive contemplation, that one option costs more than another. This determination of which option costs more is typically their only contribution. Normally other geniuses will pile-on since these forums often have a cancel-culture on steroids. Evidently these individuals believe they are providing key insights and analysis that others will miss, having failed elementary school arithmetic.

Unfortunately the poll for this thread seems to fit with the thought process that is described above, with a total concentration on price.


(1) This isn't about $10k DAC's or ridiculous cables, the subject here is two or more realistic options.

 

[Sal1950]

That's a huge amount of money to spend considering Audyssey's base capability has not changed in what... 10 years? I have no idea when XT32 was introduced.

That's BS, It changed radically with the introduction of the app for a lousy extra $20.
Enough so that I went out and upgraded my AV7701 for a 7703 to gain it's capability..
That and to have the ability to individually tune my dual subs, something Dirac didn't offer for another 4 years. Now today with Dirac it will only cost you another $700, the $200 upgrade to Dirac Full and another $500 for the Bass Management program, yet people are calling this Audyssey $200 a rip off?
I like to see the program transferable otherwise I'm completely happy with the options D-M offers its customer base.

 

[Sal1950]

The Android/iOS UI design of the Audyssey app is awful when the only way to edit points is by touch&drag, and is an indication of incompetence by those responsible for the app (not necessarily the developers hired to write it). The app is in the useful but unusable category for important functionality.

Just use Bluestacks emulator on Windoz, It's been working perfectly for me for a long time now.

 

[tecnogadget]

We need measurements and comparison with other EQ soft asap !!

 

[Chromatischism]

We need measurements and comparison with other EQ soft asap !!

The algorithms are the same, according to Jeff Clark. It's the new capabilities that are on offer here.

 

[jhaider]

Not based against what Dirac charges. $200 for Live to Full, and another $500 for the DLBC bass app.

That’s not a good comparison. DLBC had some hiccups but it adds a huge and valuable feature. I’m still trying to figure out what this new software does beyond trade modern target curve drawing for old fashioned manual PEQ.

Now today with Dirac it will only cost you another $700, the $200 upgrade to Dirac Full and another $500 for the Bass Management program, yet people are calling this Audyssey $200 a rip off?

Rip off is subjective, but in terms of added value DLBC simply adds more than this appears to right now. So the comparison really makes no sense.

I do agree that the iOS Audyssey app adds considerable value. I would say it takes Audyssey from no thanks to recommended. Hopefully they keep it alongside the new thing.