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Yes there is a lag there.Looks like the Review Index hasn't been updated?
Yes there is a lag there.Looks like the Review Index hasn't been updated?
Yes, but the resolution of the text is borderline for that.I know, I usually download the image so then I can rotate it with Windows Photo Viewer
I hope you get a good resolution on the solutionResolution used to be great. But then I allowed large images to be uploaded to the forum. To keep people from uploading 100 megabyte images I had to out a redolution limit above which the system resized the image. This bar graph has very high resolution so now getting resized making it blurry. So kind of stuck right now until I think of a solution.
Yes, that was my thinking when I purchased my M7 with all discrete transistor circuits
My dual setup where I could change between two DAC's from my amp's remote I had the idea not all music needed the coloration. But several month down the road I found that metall/rock/blues and simpler accustic singer/songwriter all benefitted from the M7 in my setup with ATC speakers.
Now it would be nice if one could figure out/agree on how to measure what are perceived as pleasant distortion in hifi products and create a chart similar to the SINAD table.
Total of 8 pcs
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Edit: My understanding they are two in parallel with true balanced design. That might explain why the RCA measure so different from balanced line out?
Thank you very much, Sir; I can see every detailOK, put in a fix that allows the bar graph now embed in full size:
Click on it and it will get larger. If you have a really high resolution display, you should be able to read it all. If not, just right click, save. Then on Windows photo viewer lets you properly enlarge it or rotate it and then view.
That works very well on my old notebook @ 1366x768. Desktop pooder is on the repair bench so can't test that.OK, put in a fix that allows the bar graph now embed in full size:
Click on it and it will get larger. If you have a really high resolution display, you should be able to read it all. If not, just right click, save. Then on Windows photo viewer lets you properly enlarge it or rotate it and then view.
This was finally the review that got me to register. Long time lurker, first time poster.
I have been following Amir's reviews from a very early point. I remember when you didn't need a magnifying glass to read the SINAD chart .
I bought into the Audio-gd koolaid a few years back and I remember reading your NFB-28 review (that's the model I had) and immediately turning around and selling mine because I felt ashamed and like I had been duped.
After seeing this review (and all the Audio-gd fails in between) I just wanted to say thanks again. I'm glad that companies like this are being put in the spotlight.
I don't want this, it's seriously overpriced for what it does and offers.Perhaps although would you or I want this unit after seeing this test? I doubt that would be the case and we would be looking at less expensive, more practical better measuring gear that makes sense and does not scintillate the visual senses with overbuilt rubbish like the Audo GD stuff does.
I'm presently listening on a 5 year old notebook PC 3.5mm headphone output through some Monster sport earbuds because my desktop PC watercooler died and the cable for the Sennheiser headphones is too long for this little notebook at the edge of the desk. So I'm maybe not as concerned about SINAD and stuff as some may think.Amir was comparing two DACs in one of his older reviews, one DAC had not even half the SINAD score of the other DAC. Yet he said that the differences were very subtle at best/worst and required concentrated listening. Most people during every day listing would most likely not hear a difference at all.
Audio-GD fans know real sound quality is hidden in what we can't measureThe question was if the unit sounds as bad as the numbers would suggest. Than the answer is most likely no.
Thanks for the explanation. It doesn't work as it is, so perhaps just show a small selection above and below the one being tested, along with an overall rating in simple numerical form (xxx/yyy)? I think vertical is more legible, and fits well if you limit it to, say, 10 above and 10 below. Where is the graph you base the image on BTW?Resolution used to be great. But then I allowed large images to be uploaded to the forum. To keep people from uploading 100 megabyte images I had to out a redolution limit above which the system resized the image. This bar graph has very high resolution so now getting resized making it blurry. So kind of stuck right now until I think of a solution.
Thanks, that's better. Works in Mac Preview of course.OK, put in a fix that allows the bar graph now embed in full size:
Click on it and it will get larger. If you have a really high resolution display, you should be able to read it all. If not, just right click, save. Then on Windows photo viewer lets you properly enlarge it or rotate it and then view.
That would be fine if worse measuring DACs were always cheaper than better measuring ones, because you can make a value judgement (is my hearing good enough to justify spending $$ instead of $?), but we don't have that. What excuses $multi-thousand products that don't reach $9 standards and why does anyone buy them?I don't want this, it's seriously overpriced for what it does and offers.
But that isn't the point here. The question was if the unit sounds as bad as the numbers would suggest. Than the answer is most likely no.
People see the numbers of one (good measuring) DAC and then the numbers of this DAC and see a big difference in numbers so they automatically assume that it will sound terrible, like a tin can or something. This is just not the case.
Amir was comparing two DACs in one of his older reviews, one DAC had not even half the SINAD score of the other DAC. Yet he said that the differences were very subtle at best/worst and required concentrated listening. Most people during every day listing would most likely not hear a difference at all.
Because they claim to trade irrelevant specs for musicality and PRAT, and there's a big audience that buys in to that.What excuses $multi-thousand products that don't reach $9 standards and why does anyone buy them?
Then why would those “most people” buy something this expensive, even use a separate DAC. If by “most people” you mean audiophiles, shouldn’t then hearing those subtle differences are their reason d’être?Most people during every day listing would most likely not hear a difference at all.
NOS mode - Non Over Sampling
One of the many tropes of audiophile nonsense is that DACs that use oversampling sound worse than ones that don't oversample. I think this is right up there with "negative feedback is always bad" and "discrete components are always better than an I.C."
yep,
i just join that forum and this is all they praised about…. Even on the Head Fi, everyone was praising what this company did. Luckily I didn’t buy into the hype and never purchased anything from them. when the hype reads “ You need 300-500hrs burn in“ All I could say is BS! If the product out of the box doesn’t sound right, move it on or asked for a refund, this is one sign that it’s not all there, never believe in “burn-in for 100s of hours…..