Audeze MM-100

[pk500]

Thanks for your measurements.

Seeing them reminds me of what a lousy headphone the ATH-M50x is. I owned them and thought they were the dog's balls until I got deeper into audiophilia. Now I know better. V-shaped and hot, grainy treble, and still the most uncomfortable headphones I've worn. They made Grados feel like pillows.

 

[squibble]

Thanks for your measurements.

Seeing them reminds me of what a lousy headphone the ATH-M50x is. I owned them and thought they were the dog's balls until I got deeper into audiophilia. Now I know better. V-shaped and hot, grainy treble, and still the most uncomfortable headphones I've worn. They made Grados feel like pillows.

You're welcome!

Yeah, the Audio Technicas are certainly not as clear as I once thought after trying a few nice pairs of headphones. I tried Focal Utopias the other day and thought the voicing was reminiscent of the ATH-M50Xs, but it was the difference between watching a YouTube video at 720p vs 4k. Sure, I can make out the big picture at 720p, but I really appreciate the obvious details that appear after switching to 4k.

 

[Soria Moria]

 

[Soria Moria]

Measurements.

 

[Dazerdoreal]

Taking into consideration that this is some DF-orientated target, the MM-100 looks really shouty here.

These are the measurements the MM-500 on Harman 2018 (Oratory1990 measurement). The MM-500 looks balanced but already slightly on the shouty side (personally, I would love it).

Audeze MM-500.pdf

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If I now compare this to the MM-100 on that graph, oh boi.

 

[Soria Moria]

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/17dzmfo Looks better here.

 

[Blake]

I can’t decide if I’d want this or not. I’ve been thinking about an open back planar, and I like the idea of a more affordable Audeze, but this makes me think I’d prefer Sundara, except for the QC issues. On the other hand, I’d use EQ anyway.

 

[Dazerdoreal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/17dzmfo Looks better here.

Thanks. Usually I like these kind of tunings (I like my Etymotics) but this still looks like a bit much to me.

 

[Tarnith]

I'm curious to see what's going to happen with the Sony acquisition and what we'll see come out of that. If they could get the price point a bit lower on the 100, or get something with more reasonable ear gain these could be compelling. Still looks expensive to me for the amount of EQ required

 

[Soharu]

Curious what EQ if any people are using for these

 

[Dazerdoreal]

Curious what EQ if any people are using for these

- add Low-Shelf Filter for Bass
- reduce around 3300hz
- apply boost around 4500hz and 7000hz

 

[Soharu]

- add Low-Shelf Filter for Bass
- reduce around 3300hz
- apply boost around 4500hz and 7000hz

Any chance someone could attempt to make one? I tried one out but it sounded weird - i'm unsure of what the quality settings, etc should be. New to EQ

 

[Dazerdoreal]

The user "Gadgetry Tech" also made measurements on Squiglink. They do not look as shouty as the ones we already saw. Still a severe dip in the presence range though.
I cannot say how reliable these measurements are. We are also not told which coupler he uses. Most of his headphone measurements do not look too far off.

Squiglink - IEM frequency response database by GadgetryTech

Compare hundreds of frequency response graphs between IEMs and earphones from manufacturers like Moondrop, Sony, 64 Audio, Fiio, and more.

gadgetrytech.squig.link

Any chance someone could attempt to make one? I tried one out but it sounded weird - i'm unsure of what the quality settings, etc should be. New to EQ

Do you know how to apply parametric EQ? Or do you use a graphic EQ (fixed filters)?
If you use parametric - I just tried it, but I dont own a MM-100 myself, so I cannot test the presets with my own ears.

a) You could try to play around with that gadgetrytech measurement. I used AutoEQ on it from 20 to 10000hz. I got the following results:

Preamp: -11.6 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 31 Hz Gain 6.8 dB Q 0.500
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 230 Hz Gain -1.5 dB Q 1.300
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1100 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 2.500
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 2000 Hz Gain 3.1 dB Q 3.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 2800 Hz Gain -5.5 dB Q 3.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 4300 Hz Gain 3.0 dB Q 3.000
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 4900 Hz Gain 10.0 dB Q 1.800

Basically, filter 1 regulates the amount of bass, Filter 7 regulates the amount of treble.
I can imagine that these two might be bit much here, especially Filter 7 (10db) seems like a lot. You can reduce them if it sounds harsh.

b) I also tried to built one from the scratch, based on all the measurements I have seen until now. This preset should be rather safe, in the sense of "do not change more than necessary". It is likely far from perfect but I except it to be an improvement over default.

Preamp: -5.8 dB
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 100 Hz Gain 4.0 dB Q 0.700
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 230 Hz Gain -1.0 dB Q 1.000
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 3300 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 3.000
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 5000 Hz Gain 6.0 dB Q 3.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 7000 Hz Gain 2.0 dB Q 4.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 8500 Hz Gain -2.0 dB Q 4.000

 

[Soharu]

The user "Gadgetry Tech" also made measurements on Squiglink. They do not look as shouty as the ones we already saw. Still a severe dip in the presence range though.
I cannot say how reliable these measurements are. We are also not told which coupler he uses. Most of his headphone measurements do not look too far off.

Squiglink - IEM frequency response database by GadgetryTech

Compare hundreds of frequency response graphs between IEMs and earphones from manufacturers like Moondrop, Sony, 64 Audio, Fiio, and more.

gadgetrytech.squig.link

Do you know how to apply parametric EQ? Or do you use a graphic EQ (fixed filters)?
If you use parametric - I just tried it, but I dont own a MM-100 myself, so I cannot test the presets with my own ears.

a) You could try to play around with that gadgetrytech measurement. I used AutoEQ on it from 20 to 10000hz. I got the following results:

Preamp: -11.6 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 31 Hz Gain 6.8 dB Q 0.500
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 230 Hz Gain -1.5 dB Q 1.300
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1100 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 2.500
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 2000 Hz Gain 3.1 dB Q 3.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 2800 Hz Gain -5.5 dB Q 3.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 4300 Hz Gain 3.0 dB Q 3.000
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 4900 Hz Gain 10.0 dB Q 1.800

Basically, filter 1 regulates the amount of bass, Filter 7 regulates the amount of treble.
I can imagine that these two might be bit much here, especially Filter 7 (10db) seems like a lot. You can reduce them if it sounds harsh.

b) I also tried to built one from the scratch, based on all the measurements I have seen until now. This preset should be rather safe, in the sense of "do not change more than necessary". It is likely far from perfect but I except it to be an improvement over default.

Preamp: -5.8 dB
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 100 Hz Gain 4.0 dB Q 0.700
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 230 Hz Gain -1.0 dB Q 1.000
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 3300 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 3.000
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 5000 Hz Gain 6.0 dB Q 3.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 7000 Hz Gain 2.0 dB Q 4.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 8500 Hz Gain -2.0 dB Q 4.000

I use parametric - the 2nd one you posted is infinitely better than the 1st one to my ears - comparing to stock tonight

Here is that users youtube review!

 

[Alchemist_]

What are the dimensions of the original mm100 ear pads?

Inner height = ?
Inner width = ?
Depth = ?

 

[Dazerdoreal]

It seems someone posted Oratory1990s measurements on head-fi (they are not on his reddit yet).

Audeze MM-100

To me, the strongest argument for using compensated instead of raw freq response charts is the sine illusion he references. This provides a handy interactive tool to see for yourself how it works. One thing I may have missed though, shouldn't the compensated preference band be flatter, where...

www.head-fi.org

They again confirm that the 3k peak is pretty crazy.

 

[Wavez]

From the head fi thread, it sounds like the polarity of the drivers is reversed, can anyone confirm?

 

[Kane1972]

I think there are less people having issues than there were. Some of the time, people had not pushed the cable in far enough. One reviewer showed that you can plug a mic into one of the ports and phones in the other too and that they are then an outstanding gaming headset.

 

[ObjectiveSubjectivist]

The peak around 3-4k is just ridiculous.

 

[pk500]

The peak around 3-4k is just ridiculous.

To your ears and brain or on a graph?