Yes, scm110s. The little 2 ways share very little in common with the big 3 ways IME, they're much flatter. There's decent measurements of the scm50s around, they are pretty flat. Still, they lack LF extension bigtime. The sub is doing a lot.
both sound the same, the dip is probably because of the reflection from the desk and HF drop is about the same as any ATC I measured or heard, maybe a bit more as the tweeter is rather hight. Month ago I was helping calibrate SCM45 in different room and it was around -5dB at 20k on axis
I think I’m more surprised that some people on this forum still don't seem to understand that you should never draw any conclusions from a room measurement around 500 Hz and up.
That's ONE small model - the 20SL's do it too but they were designed to sit on a meter bridge and the 19 was a cheaper-box cobble for price reasons I remember!
That shows more about your room than speakers. These are my 110’s. I have never seen anything so close to perfect in room. HF lifted slightly in DSP after these measurements, but to be honest most of the very early and sudden drops in HF we see from ATC is due to people not measuring at the acoustic reference point, myself included as I made the same mistake, and was more interested in Mid and LF response.
That shows more about your room than speakers. These are my 110’s. I have never seen anything so close to perfect in room. HF lifted slightly in DSP after these measurements, but to be honest most of the very early and sudden drops in HF we see from ATC is due to people not measuring at the acoustic reference point, myself included as I made the same mistake, and was more interested in Mid and LF response.
When I sit in the sweetspot with ears between mid and tweeter, I like the HF balance. My Neumann 320 is more dull than my ATC’s that’s for sure
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I guess they base it on physics only up to 500Hz because as you said they can never draw any conclusions from the room measurements above 500Hz. 10dB drop at the 20kHz and 5dB 7kHz bump ? Nah it's fine and neutral, it's the other monitors that are dull, ATC have that magic midrangeI don't think there is anything "magical" about Northward rooms. Room acoustic treatment is all about physics and I don't see a reason to think Northward Acoustics is particularly bad at what they do, especially as their clientele is highly dependent on delivering a good enough result to their customers, otherwise, they will not be able to stay in their business for long.
But you sir are of course free to make any stupid conclusion you want, that seems like one of your specialties.
Hahaha. The imaginary trendline argument
still better than the nervous coping laugh argument
You draw a 15db sloping target curve to provide an argument - it is laughable. All it shows is that you have zero basis for providing valuable input, and can’t tell a good room from a bad speaker or vice versa. This whole thread is so filled with zero practical knowledge to relate to peoples “measurement” or “science” or whatever you call. None of which the posters have actually done themselves. Tiring.
If you draw it from 20Hz to 20kHz it's even more, I was trying to be nice, however you draw it it's either a 7kHz boost or even bigger HF drop
If you knew how to read a measurement or how mic placement affects something like that, you wouldn’t care so much about this “big HF drop”. It could litterally be the opposite picture within a few inches up or down - which I account for in the original post. But you choose to ignore it and draw the most misconceived “trendline” i have ever seen.
