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ASR speaker (and electronics) review - is it really objective?

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In case the context was unclear, I meant to exclude myself from the statement you quoted. No criticism of anyone's floor-standers was intended, least of all my own. No hard against the wall shenanigans either (they go where the room model and the measurements tell me, and aim where my ear/brain reckons),

Right, competently executed conventional floorstander rigs and/or with the usual shenanigans can sound pretty frickin sublime and intimidating in a good way. There is no doubt of that.

But as the only means for awesome fidelity in the living room? Give me a break.

It’s about time (for the industry) to marginalize the old coots and audiophilia (phools and snobs).

:oops:
 

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Right, competently executed conventional floorstander rigs and/or with the usual shenanigans can sound pretty frickin sublime and intimidating in a good way. There is no doubt of that.

But as the only means for awesome fidelity in the living room? Give me a break.

It’s about time (for the industry) to marginalize the old coots and audiophilia (phools and snobs).

:oops:
Who you calling “Old Coots” and “audiophillia phools and snobs” ? One should be very specific when throwing Shade, it might land on an unintended target :oops:
 
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This was funny. So creative!

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/good-to-be-back.25169/
 

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Some may have mentioned this, look at the measurements and make a judgement yourself. I personally do not read any of the subjective comments, I just look at Amir’s graphs.
 

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But as the only means for awesome fidelity in the living room? Give me a break.
Counterpoints are good, but on't attribute that view to me.
 

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Counterpoints are good, but on't attribute that view to me.

It was rhetorical. I’m shit with my English since it is not my mother tongue.

Apply liberal amounts of filtering and err on the side of some comedy and drama. :rolleyes:
 

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I didn't take offence, just issued a clarification. Also, your English is much better than my Swedish. :)
 
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Your English is much better than my Swedish. :)

I bet you didn’t study Swedish in school. If you would have, I’m sure you would understand my Swedish is just plain bad, however not terrible as my english. Just wait until you hear my swenglish. Short intro below, not by me however.

 

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so, what you're saying is, you're actually redChift, not redShift?
 

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Helpful guide, thank you.

Not all of those are mistakes. Often we don't go to work because of a bad influence. But we also call that 'flu (where the correct designation is hangover, but the truth doesn't help anyone).
 

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Helpful guide, thank you.

Not all of those are mistakes. Often we don't go to work because of a bad influence. But we also call that 'flu (where the correct designation is hangover, but the truth doesn't help anyone).

These cultural and lingual idiosyncrasies. That’s why it is so fun to work with foreigners.

With Brits and Americans it is a humbling reminder of being a non native speaker. With Poles, Germans and the former east bloc countries, it’s just hilarious. (Let’s not mention the French to avoid a horrific cultural clash) :cool:
 

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Who you calling “Old Coots” and “audiophillia phools and snobs” ? One should be very specific when throwing Shade, it might land on an unintended target :oops:
I resemble that remark.
 

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I bet you didn’t study Swedish in school. If you would have, I’m sure you would understand my Swedish is just plain bad, however not terrible as my english. Just wait until you hear my Swenglish.

If you speak more than 4 languages, you're either a diplomat or African (or both).

If you speak three languages, you're trilingual, Belgian or Swiss.

Two languages makes you bilingual.

If you speak one language, you're probably American.

*****

As a younger man, living in Taiwan I proudly ordered my coffee at a newly opened McDonald's, with milk.

The 17 year old clerk flushed bright red, scurried to the back and laughter ensued as the order was retold.

Eventually, the manager stepped to the front and asked how he could be of service (All in impeccable received pronunciation, The Queen's English. )

My order complete, he explained - with a straight face that there were modifiers in Common Mandarin for milk, specifying the source.

What I wanted was milk, from a cow.

What I ordered was milk, from my Mommy.
 

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If you speak more than 4 languages, you're either a diplomat or African (or both).

If you speak three languages, you're trilingual, Belgian or Swiss.

Two languages makes you bilingual.

If you speak one language, you're probably American.

*****

As a younger man, living in Taiwan I proudly ordered my coffee at a newly opened McDonald's, with milk.

The 17 year old clerk flushed bright red, scurried to the back and laughter ensued as the order was retold.

Eventually, the manager stepped to the front and asked how he could be of service (All in impeccable received pronunciation, The Queen's English. )

My order complete, he explained - with a straight face that there were modifiers in Common Mandarin for milk, specifying the source.

What I wanted was milk, from a cow.

What I ordered was milk, from my Mommy.

LOL. :D

Re: How the embarrassment and drama turned into comedy gold a few years down the line.

I’ve never been to Taiwan, would love to though. I’m imagining it to be what China should have become, but didn’t.

I know some crusty Finnish as well, so I’m approximate bilingual if you sum up my proficiencies in Swedish, English and Finnish.
 

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I bet you didn’t study Swedish in school. If you would have, I’m sure you would understand my Swedish is just plain bad, however not terrible as my english. Just wait until you hear my swenglish. Short intro below, not by me however.

Meanwhile I just focused on something else than the swenglish
 

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Right, competently executed conventional floorstander rigs and/or with the usual shenanigans can sound pretty frickin sublime and intimidating in a good way. There is no doubt of that.

But as the only means for awesome fidelity in the living room? Give me a break.

It’s about time (for the industry) to marginalize the old coots and audiophilia (phools and snobs).

:oops:
hum~ Trouble is, those are the ones who are willing to spend a fortune out of their not so full bank account for sound quality.

Nice speaker driver and displacement cannot be replaced by say DSP or active EQing in some smark lifestyle products, and small ones don't produce good sound at SPL able to fill a living room. if you want nice speaker components designed into some furniture or painting like the IKEA sonos one and able to active adapt to a room with decent SPL and bass extension... yea surely it can be done, but I doubt only the tech giant founders alike would like to pay for the cost of such things for geeks in any hobby we likely will be enjoying playing around and optimizing anything to achieve some better result and not put some smart stuffs and let it do itself.

Another hindering factor is longevity of a product, when even active speakers are always questioned with it's long term reliability and serviceability (Since I think most ppl won't think decent audio products are dirt cheap and upgrade like a phone or so), those smart speakers are even more doubtful
 
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