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Are all passive speakers officially "retro"?

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How about the rotary telephone.
Rotary engine? But, I digress…

If I were buying for a second home somewhere, I’d totally go for a KEF LS60 instead of separates.

I’m not surprised by the comment of the pawn shop owner. I’ve never heard of a Magico or a MBL being offered in a pawn shop.
 

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Stay tuned. Page 8 will begin the passive speaker renaissance.

It's already done. I think every mainstream HiFi loudspeaker maker who wants to sell speakers in numbers ATM is going retro.
 

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I know the second hand market on speakers is going crazy here, becuase people are fed up with active speakers with broken amp boards that can't be replaced.

And passive speakers, the few that are still in shops here sell like hotcakes. Warfdale made the Linton heritage, based on the old one and it's one of the speakers hifi sellers sell the most in the normal price range for hifi. The others are non active Kef speakers and non active Monitor Audio speakers. The non active Kef LS50 is way more popular than the active versions.
 

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In a nutshell you get better performance with actives particularly the contemporary designs but they almost completely remove the ‘hobby’ aspect which obviously many enjoy.
From the retail perspective contemporary actives are extremely poor you sell a pair and never see that customer again, very far removed from the traditional ‘upgrade’ model.
Keith
 

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I know the second hand market on speakers is going crazy here, becuase people are fed up with active speakers with broken amp boards that can't be replaced.

And passive speakers, the few that are still in shops here sell like hotcakes. Warfdale made the Linton heritage, based on the old one and it's one of the speakers hifi sellers sell the most in the normal price range for hifi. The others are non active Kef speakers and non active Monitor Audio speakers. The non active Kef LS50 is way more popular than the active versions.
People here keeping repeating that passive speakers are now rare in audio and hifi shops.
I must live in another planet then.
Here, in France (a very old and retro country apparently), there are more passive than active speakers in audio and hifi shops/dealers (not talking about big generalist chains selling portable bluetooth speakers for younglings).
Of course there are more active ones these days, but most of hifi speakers are still passive here.
 
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People here keeping repeating that passive speakers are now rare in audio and hifi shops.
I must live in another planet then.
Here, in France (a very old and retro country apparently), there are more passive than active speakers in audio and hifi shops/dealers (not talking about big generalist chains selling portable bluetooth speakers for younglings).
Of course there are more active ones these days, but most of hifi speakers are still passive here.
most people don't go there, but go to the media market and similar big chain stores where there is not much choice. The ones that are more in for good sound go online and see to much ridiculous expensive snake oil stuff been promoted, and turn to the second hand market to find what they know is good to their standards. And a small, mainly older public goes to more specialisted hifi stores (online or physically), where in some also very expensive snake oil stuff is sold, next to normal priced things. That is at least what I see in Belgium...
 

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OK. Let’s have the same conversation now about the internal combustion engine…

If those are retro, then what would you call the remote combustion engine?

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Both vintage and hip?
 

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My cohort and I are just now leaving our twenties, and frankly speaking, I've only ever heard of people buying active speakers simply for the convenience. Most of our parents had some sort of hi-fi (whether in working order and used or not), and we've witnessed the evolution of HTIB kits grow into soundbars with wireless satellite speakers and subwoofers. Unless I'm misunderstanding some of the definitions here, it's usually just people buying soundbars for televisions or active bookshelf sets for their desk, and generally neither are for serious listening. Anyone I know who has even relatively caught the hi-fi or audiophile bug usually has spent some time and research with various modes of listening, from bookshelf speakers and a small integrated desktop amp, to electrostatic headphones and a stack, or IEMs and a Qudelix 5k.

Now you have a lot of people buying disposable, battery powered BT speakers, but those people are usually the ones still buying Beats, Bose, Apple, etc., devices. I'm not attempting to imply anything wrong with those devices, but generally those people, in my experience, buy them because they're what's on the shelf, not because they've done any research into what sound signature they like. They need *something* to play music with, and so they buy what's within reach and within budget. No different than someone who is on the car lot and just wants something in White or silver with four doors and maybe some neat extras, as opposed to someone who orders their car from the factory, or buys a used corvette with the exact spec and color their looking for in just the right mileage.

But from my understanding, hasn't this always been the case, more or less? I think of it like boom boxes; yes some were of high quality for the time, but it was less about the quality and more about the simple convenience. Same with the HiFi stacks that were pretty rubbish, but still looked like something expensive from Sony or AT, and they still played the radio and cassettes just fine to the teenaged ear.

I mean, hell, some of the greatest selling media players of all time were the PSX, PS2, and PS3, for CD audio, DVD, and BD, respectively. While people have argued for their quality over the years, they were bought because they were (relatively) inexpensive, easy to set up, and were a deal since you or your kid could play a video game on them.

It's been the same with the PC ever since the big box, inexpensive releases by companies like Packard Bell, Compaq, etc., where people would buy a computer in a box, put it together, and keep it for years, not adding in video cards or ram or math coprocessors. One definitely wouldn't say gaming PC building is retro, despite it becoming a thing around thirty years ago, just because as a market it's dwarfed by the offerings from companies like Dell or HP.

Maybe it's just my best buy, but the last time I was there, they had a decent handful of passive speakers and amps, and that was outside their fancy pants zone with ridiculous McIntosh gear no one seems to actually buy there. They also had a ton of stuff you could order; I was tempted to save money by ordering my purple Pro-ject turntable in-store, but the $50 saving would have meant a month or so of waiting.

Sounds like it's just typical dribble from the Verge. Seems like a lot of desktop headphone amps are including speaker amp stages as well, as do plenty of wireless streamers. It feels more like proper line level rca outputs are becoming "retro" in the author's sense, meaning chaining together gear has become messier.
 

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Because he gets paid to write nonsense for The Verge (Not to mention the fake beard.). The Verge, expert, qualified analysis of audio trends since the last article published on their website.

A beard in search of a man: Maybe the beard is real, and the weekend editor is fake.
 

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A useful and potent phrase. Did you just coin that?

No, I didn’t. But when I first heard it I was also struck by how apt it is.
 

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The Verge's coverage of the WiiM amp release came up in my feed. I was surprised to read that it has "vintage audio hi-fi chops" since it just came out and streams over wi-fi.

I don't have a "feed" so I avoid getting tempted into new "truths". :)



He's clearly quite aware of gadgetry in general, but also thinks passive speakers are simply old.
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Is he right?
So is using lungs to breathe, sex and the wheel.
End of story :)


What do you think, is Wes Davis way off base, or simply echoing what is intuitive to the average reader of The Verge?
More likely than not. Gotta keep those clicks coming!
 

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Retro? Alarming news! Did ASR quit reviewing amplifiers yet?

DACs? Are external DACs retro yet?
 

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