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Any reason NOT to use rg59 for rca interconnects?

It is a very bad idea to transport both stereo channels within a shield, among other things because of crosstalk, as mentioned by @antcollinet.

You can find a selection at Sommercable, but you will also find some from other brands for €/$ 1-3. The prices given are only RRP and can be up to 50% lower in stores.
Here you can find some dual coaxial cables: Sommercable
I'm not sending L and R through the same cable. I've never said that I was.

That was "ant's" comment and has already been revealed as a misinterpretation by "ant" of a third, separate, poster's comment. Lets not revive that misinterpretation please.

My intent was always to have each channel on it's own, separate, shielded cable.
 
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The RG45 is bulky, stiff, and heavy for my taste. The last thing I want around me in my living room :)
I don't think anyone on this thread has mentioned RG45. Where did that come from?

There's enough variables flying around in this thread as it is, lets not introduce another one please.
 
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Isn’t that a handy little chart? Do you have a reference where I can get a copy of the whole thing?
Different document than I have saved, but looks like the same writeup:

 
I'm not sending L and R through the same cable. I've never said that I was.

That was "ant's" comment and has already been revealed as a misinterpretation by "ant" of a third, separate, poster's comment. Lets not revive that misinterpretation please.

My intent was always to have each channel on it's own, separate, shielded cable.
Then I misunderstood your post and obviously didn't read everything, sorry.
 
I don't think anyone on this thread has mentioned RG45. Where did that come from?

There's enough variables flying around in this thread as it is, lets not introduce another one please.
Typo , my bad. RG49.
 
The Monoprice cable showed up today.

It was on a spool in the ad pics, but it's a loose coil as delivered. PITB to try and feed/pull, but I put a steel bar across two jacks stands and it's at least manageable. Still a PITB, just less so. Meh, the cable is otherwise as advertised. Well, some deviation (as described below) but it's essentially as described.

Tagged "made in Vietnam" which I thought was a little odd. "Made in China" is usually where this type of stuff comes from. Meh, matters not to me either way. It is what it is. All I care about at this point is how it works.

Made a couple interconnects for the first turntable to preamp:

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Well, if nothing else, they sure do look purdy....;)

Don't be fooled by the physical size of that cable, it's not coax:

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A lot of that thickness is just the rubber jacket. But I knew that when I ordered it and it makes for a nice transition between the cable size and the RCA plug opening (IE: 8 mm OD cable, 9 mm ID RCA plug). With the shield folded back over the OD of the insulation, it's makes for a nice push fit into the RCA opening. I soldered the center and shield to the plug, but there's also a grub screw for some mechanical "backup" to keep the cable in place.

The rubber is nice and pliable, so the cable is pretty flexible and easy to route and bend as needed. Kind of feels like a spark plug wire does.

The cable is advertised as 16 AWG. Ah yeah, that's a no. No matter how generous I was with the vernier, the wire wouldn't measure much more than 0.7-0.75 mm. That's somewhere around 19-20 AWG. Will still work fine for my uses, but it's still not exactly honest advertising. Might be 16 AWG if you twisted both center wires together.....:rolleyes:

All the wires are indeed copper. That part of the ad was truthful. Supposed to be "OFC", but who knows if that's ever true. No matter who you buy it from, you're taking them at their word about that. It's copper, that's good 'enuff...;)

The "drain wire" seems to perhaps be something tinned (silver colored), but that is pretty much irrelevant in my use. It just got combined with the shield and black wire in my case.

I meter the roll and all 250 ft of it only returns 0.4 ohms on the shield, around 0.7-0.8 on the 20-ish gauge wires. I also did the cursory check to make sure there were no breaks or shorts and the 250ft roll came back good.

I did soldered connections. White center wire for pos and the black+drain with the shield for neg. The wire insulation (IE: white" really was sensitive to shrinking with heat so I had to watch for that. The insulator in the RCA plug was quite robust to heat resistance, so filling the solder cup was relatively easy for my weller WESD51 with the appropriately sized tip.

I give the old cables a listen on a LP, just to make sure I have a recent ref for sound (I don't have measuring equipment for signal). Swapped in my DIY cable and:

Quiet.

At least as quiet as the random RCA cable I had on there, same while playing. Same with the stylus lifted. No discernible difference to my old, damaged hearing at least. So that's a success as far as I'm concerned.

3D printed off some cable clips to help keep it organized:

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Looks OK to me. The clips will be bonded to the back of the case for a neater routing than just hanging free.

The Preamp has the rca jacks in a group of 4 with 2 stacked vertically and while they're not touching, they're still fairly close. The black colored barrels metered as not conductive (likely the paint or powder coat or whatever the finish is), but I slipped a little piece of black vinyl tape between them, just for a little piece of mind. Gravity IS a heartless biotch after all......

I also have 3D printed off various other clips for power cords, etc to clean it all up and run nicely.

Now to build more interconnects. Should take a month or so at my "leisurely" pace....retirement is good.

:)
 
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a] don't know why a Shielded Twisted Pair (STP) with a braided shield has a drain wire. Drain wires are for foil shielded cables.
I was just looking at an old Audio Engineering Society paper about testing balanced cables for noise & interference susceptibility.
Several of the cables with a braided shield also had a drain wire.
 
Doubling cable is equivalent to 3 in awg. So a pair of 19 awg is 16 awg. Did you want non-coax?

Are those the WBT's where you screw the outer part down to lock it to the RCA? I had some of them and came to loathe them. Put too much strain on the RCA. They do look pretty the way you have put them together.
 
I hadn't seen that before. Thanks. I think it's common knowledge that foil and drain wire is not recommended for audio, but this is the first time I've seen such comprehensive testing.

I also like the succinct explanation of why it's an issue:

"An input circuit that has poor immunity to radio frequency signals will then detect the interfering signal by one of several mechanisms. First, square law detection can occur in any of the semiconductor junctions exposed to the interfering signal. Second, detection can occur due to slew-rate limiting. Third, detection can occur due to fundamental overload (that is, clipping or rectification) in any active stage."
 
Are those the WBT's where you screw the outer part down to lock it to the RCA? I had some of them and came to loathe them. Put too much strain on the RCA. They do look pretty the way you have put them together.
Yes, I mentioned if you took both center conductors together, that is likey 16 awg. Doesn’t change the fact that it was advertised as 16awg, which any reasonable person would take to mean each conductor is 16awg, not two separate 20-ish awg conductors.

Meh, whatever. Moot point unless someone is looking to purchase the same cable.

At this point, coax or not seems to be making no difference to my ears, so I’m fine with it. This is a short run, so I’ll see what happens when I get to the longer runs in the system. I suspect it will be just fine. This is a home environment, not a studio or an environment where other electronic/electrical components are located. About the worst thing I have to worry about is picking up something from the wireless router on the other side of the house, which is a concern in every home these days.

Is there perhaps some measurable difference? There might be, but I don’t have the capability to measure so as long as I can’t hear it, it’s irrelevant.

Yes. Liking the locking feature so far. I suspect it will stay that way as my cables get installed and will only be removed for things like equipment repairs, maint, etc. the cable is far more flexible that coax would be, so it probably all comes out about even in the end analysis. My cables are also going to be supported in clips to the cabinet vice hanging from the rca connections, so its pretty much all irrelevant anyways.
 
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It was that Whitlock & Brown paper that listed the balanced cables.
Yet, countless studios are wired with Belden 8450, 8451 or 9451 balanced cable. It's a two conductor, foil shield with drain wire cable.
They have been using these cable for almost a half century, with few SCIN problems.
 
Well, finished the longest run of interconnects in the system. From the TT Preamps to the receiver. 4 separate lines about 15 ft each. A left and right line for each of the two preamps.

If "noise" is going to be a problem, this is the place it will happen

And....nothing. Dead quiet.

In fact, there was a very soft/light "hiss" on the Dual 1249 circuit with the needle cued and even that is now gone. That run (from tt to preamp) was using a coax RCA previously when it was making a soft background "hiss" and the Monoprice mic cord seems to have eliminated it.

Complete success so far.

Tomorrow: graphic EQ and subwoofer.
 
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Another 15 foot run from the switcher to the eq and then back to the 8080DB input.

Its probably just the placebo effect, but I have the impression that the highs are a little clearer in the system. The “tish tish tish” of Peart’s high hats just seem a little sharper and defined.

Maybe its the mix and match of the various types and quality of the rca cables I used to have in there, or perhaps it’s just (as I mentioned) the placebo effect. IE: hearing something different because I want to hear something different.

Its certainly no worse off than it was before though, which is a good thing because cables should not add or subtract anything. They should be “transparent” in a system, merely carrying the signals without loss or interference.

Tomorrow: pioneer ct-f750 tape deck and kenwood cd player interconnects and the powered sub cables.

Then I’m done because at that point I’m out of those fancy-schmancy RCA ends. I ordered just enuff to do what I wanted done and its worked out well.

Good enuff anyways because all thats left is the 8 track player and a second, double well, cassette player for problem cassettes. Regular old rca cables are fine for those…until I feel like buying more ends and running more cable that is.

How much do I have into all the cabling at this point? A very “wallet friendly” $320 bucks, with about 80-100 ft of cable left over. That's a bargain for what they are. Well, a bit of soldering and my own labor too…so lets call it an even $350.

:)
 
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IE: hearing something different because I want to hear something different.
Or, just as likely - hearing a difference because you are listening differently. You are focussing on the sound (because you are looking for differences) rather than the music.

Simply noticing stuff that was there all along but now you are hearing because you are listening for it.
 
Oh yeah, that scratches that little “OCD itch” in the back of my brain quite nicely:

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Once I get all the cables built, I’ll go back and line up all the barrel writing as well….lol
 
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