Alec Baldwin shooting: Lawyer suggests potential sabotage on ‘Rust’ set.

[Justdafactsmaam]

Then I suggest that a crime was committed by having live ammo on set,

Yeah, no kidding. She’s doing time for it right now

that lots of people knew about it, that several people quit after observing safety violations, that nothing was done to clean up the set and account for live ammo, and that everyone knew about the unsafe practices.

Whoa. Lots of people knew there was live ammunition on the set? Who knew that?

Including Baldwin.

Sorry but that’s bullshit.

Which to me, makes it appropriate to have a trial, where the issue of recklessness can be subject to testimony under oath.

I suspect there will be trials, or settlements.

There won’t be anymore trials involving Alec Baldwin

 

[Doodski]

Firstly we're dealing with a movie making situation where the very first rule of weapon handling is broken hundreds of time a day, a weapon is pointed directly at another person and fired..
If this must be the case, a couple of common sense rules should be in place to protect everyone involved.
ABSOLUTELY NO LIVE AMMO anywhere on a filming set.
All weapons anywhere on the set (except for law enforcement personal) should have the barrels blocked to make them incapable of launching a projectile.
These two actions would only seem common sense actions taken going forward. It's already been well proven that anything less is unacceptable.

You are 100% spot on righto Mr!
Frankly they should have a retired firearms master sergeant handling all their gear and run the place with a iron fist to prevent this sheit from happening again. At least something similar anyway. Checklists too etc. Fill the barrels with lead like a old grease gun that I handled.

 

[Doodski]

Then I suggest that a crime was committed by having live ammo on set, that lots of people knew about it, that several people quit after observing safety violations, that nothing was done to clean up the set and account for live ammo, and that everyone knew about the unsafe practices. Including Baldwin.

Which to me, makes it appropriate to have a trial, where the issue of recklessness can be subject to testimony under oath.

I suspect there will be trials, or settlements.

In Canada we would have a Royal Commision. Drag it out for months and months, committees after committee and such and finally probably come to the same conclusion as the decision made in the USA trial.

 

[Petrushka]

Responsible for overseeing all weapons on set for certain specified days was the production's property key assistant and armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, stepdaughter of long-time industry armorer Thell Reed.[20] Gutierrez-Reed's last day as the production's designated armorer was October 17. On October 21, the day of the incident, she had no armorer responsibilities and was contracted solely as a props assistant.[21] Rust was Gutierrez-Reed's second film serving as lead armorer. On her first film, The Old Way, several crew members complained about her handling of firearms, including an incident in which she discharged a weapon without warning and caused lead actor Nicolas Cage to walk off set.[22]

David Halls was the assistant director. In the aftermath of the incident, former colleagues reported that Halls faced complaints in 2019 about his behavior during the filming of two episodes of Into the Dark; the complaints indicated that he allegedly disregarded safety protocols by ignoring blocked exits and a fire lane.[23][24] In the same year, Halls had been fired from working on the film Freedom's Pathafter a firearm discharged unexpectedly on set, wounding a crew member.[25][26]

On the set of the independent film One Way, a crew member warned producers about Halls's disregard for safety measures and said, "That man is a liability. He's going to fucking kill someone someday, and you're going to be responsible." However, the film's digital imaging technician disputes this claim, saying he knew Halls to be conscientious about safety.[27] The Hollywood Reporter reported a number of complaints raised during the production of 2019's The Tiger Rising, which also featured Rust executive producers Ryan Donnell Smith, Allen Cheney, Emily Hunter Salveson, and Ryan Winterstern.[28]

Rust shooting incident - Wikipedia

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But it was reasonable to trust him.

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Rust shooting incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But it was reasonable to trust him.

Her. Hindsight is 20/20

 

[Mart68]

 

[Petrushka]

Her. Hindsight is 20/20

Him. She was no longer the armorer. There was no armorer. Just the assistant director filling in.

All the more reason to trust without verifying.

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Him. She was no longer the armorer. There was no armorer. Just the assistant director filling in.

All the more reason to trust without verifying.

She was the armorer. She was neglecting her duties.

So do you ever fly? If so do you insist on personally double checking the safety checks of the maintenance crew?

Or do you trust without verifying? What could go wrong?

 

[Petrushka]

She was the armorer. She was neglecting her duties.

So do you ever fly? If so do you insist on personally double checking the safety checks of the maintenance crew?

Or do you trust without verifying? What could go wrong?

Gutierrez-Reed's last day as the production's designated armorer was October 17. On October 21, the day of the incident, she had no armorer responsibilities

But would I want to be on a flight where both the pilot and co-pilot had crashed planes due to negligence?

 

[Jim Taylor]

Sorry but that’s bullshit.

Are you saying that the reported incident where Baldwin himself engaged in off-site gun-play with live ammo in the very same pistol is bullshit? Or are you saying that Baldwin had no idea that people quit because of safety violations? Which?

Jim

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

But would I want to be on a flight where both the pilot and co-pilot had crashed planes due to negligence?

Pretty sure they’d be dead. Or not flying anymore. Just like Hannah Guitierrez Reed will never be an armorer on a film again.

Again hindsight is 20/20

I take it you don’t actually take it upon yourself to double check the safety checks of the maintenance crew. You just trust without verifying.

So do you check on the flight records of the pilot and co-pilot?

You brought that up

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Are you saying that the reported incident where Baldwin himself engaged in off-site gun-play with live ammo in the very same pistol is bullshit? Or are you saying that Baldwin had no idea that people quit because of safety violations? Which?

Jim

Neither. I am saying the assertion he knew there was live ammunition on set. Is bullshit. No one has claimed to have known that including the armorer.

 

[Petrushka]

Neither. I am saying the assertion he knew there was live ammunition on set. Is bullshit. No one has claimed to have known that including the armorer.

Why was she no longer the armorer?

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Why was she no longer the armorer?

Where are you getting info from? Here are two news sources that clearly indicate she was there working as the armorer

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/15/1244364590/hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust-armorer-sentenced

" Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was in charge of weapons used on set and on location. She was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter after loading a prop gun that killed the movie's cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins."

https://apnews.com/article/rust-sho...aldwin-trial-a9f175e72e8ea6145e57996ad8e38525

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" Prosecutors blame Gutierrez-Reed for unwittingly bringing live ammunition onto the set of “Rust,” where it was expressly prohibited, and for failing to follow basic gun-safety protocols ."

"The judge ticked through a checklist of safety failures by Gutierrez-Reed, pointedly answering her own questions. “Did she have enough time to load the weapon safely? Plenty,” the judge said. “Did you load the weapon? Yes — with dummies and a live round. Did she check what she was loading? No.” "

Are AP and NPR both wrong? Are the direct quotes of the judge during sentencing inaccurate?

If she loaded the weapon she was there working as the armorer. If she was no longer the armorer and was no longer working on set that would have been her defense!

This is how that checklist would have gone if she were no longer the armorer and was not present…

“Did she have enough time to load the weapon safely? I don’t know. I wasn’t there. I have no idea how the weapon was loaded on the day of the incident

” the judge said. “Did you load the weapon? I wasn’t there. I was no longer the armorer and no longer responsible for loading the gun or any other gun safety protocols

Did she check what she was loading? I wasn’t there. I was no longer the armorer and no longer responsible for loading the gun or any other gun safety protocols. I know nothing about who loaded what that day.

 

[Petrushka]

Where are you getting info from? Here are two news sources that clearly indicate she was there working as the armorer

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/15/1244364590/hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust-armorer-sentenced

" Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was in charge of weapons used on set and on location. She was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter after loading a prop gun that killed the movie's cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins."

https://apnews.com/article/rust-sho...aldwin-trial-a9f175e72e8ea6145e57996ad8e38525

“
" Prosecutors blame Gutierrez-Reed for unwittingly bringing live ammunition onto the set of “Rust,” where it was expressly prohibited, and for failing to follow basic gun-safety protocols ."

"The judge ticked through a checklist of safety failures by Gutierrez-Reed, pointedly answering her own questions. “Did she have enough time to load the weapon safely? Plenty,” the judge said. “Did you load the weapon? Yes — with dummies and a live round. Did she check what she was loading? No.” "

Are AP and NPR both wrong? Are the direct quotes of the judge during sentencing inaccurate?

If she loaded the weapon she was there working as the armorer. If she was no longer the armorer and was no longer working on set that would have been her defense!

This is how that checklist would have gone if she were no longer the armorer and was not present…

“Did she have enough time to load the weapon safely? I don’t know. I wasn’t there. I have no idea how the weapon was loaded on the day of the incident

” the judge said. “Did you load the weapon? I wasn’t there. I was no longer the armorer and no longer responsible for loading the gun or any other gun safety protocols

Did she check what she was loading? I wasn’t there. I was no longer the armorer and no longer responsible for loading the gun or any other gun safety protocols. I know nothing about who loaded what that day.

I quoted a detailed account of this, with a link. Her last day armorer was the 17th.

What happened?

After touting Hollywood’s safety record, do you not find it just a bit ironic that two out of two people on the set responsible for gun safety had accidental gun discharges on previous movie sets?

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

I quoted a detailed account of this, with a link. Her last day armorer was the 17th.

No, you quoted a Wikipedia account of this. Fortunately they did link the actual report. The report does not claim she was no longer the armorer

https://www.env.nm.gov/occupational_health_safety/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2022/04/2022-04-19-NM-OSHA-Rust-Summary-of-Investigation.pdf

What happened?

Read the two news reports I posted. They tell you what happened. Read the quote of the judge about what happened based on Gutierrez’ own testimony. She was there, she was the armorer handling the weapons, she loaded the live round in the gun and declared it safe without checking the round.

That’s what happened

After touting Hollywood’s safety record, do you not find it just a bit ironic that two out of two people on the set responsible for gun safety had accidental gun discharges on previous movie sets?

No. The record stands on its own merits. It is exceptional by any rational objective measure. But no protocols are 100% fool proof as Ms. Gutierrez has demonstrated

 

[kemmler3D]

No, you quoted a Wikipedia account of this. Fortunately they did link the actual report. The report does not claim she was no longer the armorer

https://www.env.nm.gov/occupational_health_safety/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2022/04/2022-04-19-NM-OSHA-Rust-Summary-of-Investigation.pdf

Read the two news reports I posted. They tell you what happened. Read the quote of the judge about what happened based on Gutierrez’ own testimony. She was there, she was the armorer handling the weapons, she loaded the live round in the gun and declared it safe without checking the round.

That’s what happened

No. The record stands on its own merits. It is exceptional by any rational objective measure. But no protocols are 100% fool proof as Ms. Gutierrez has demonstrated

Yeah... safety protocols don't work if you don't follow them. Huh. So odd.

 

[amirm]

I sort of remember from the Armorer trial that her contract was ending but they extended it or something like that.

 

[Petrushka]

The OSHA report is pretty damning. The death was just the culmination of a series of unscheduled gun discharges and failures to follow safety guidelines. An assistant cameraman quit just in time not to be the one killed, and he quit because of the unsafe practices.

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

I sort of remember from the Armorer trial that her contract was ending but they extended it or something like that.

Production was being cheap. There are rules about consecutive days worked and penalties in the form of payments for exceeding 6 days in a week. If production abused those rules by trying to dance around them she would have had a legitimate grievance and could have taken it to IATSE to seek correct compensation. And IATSE could have taken further action against all parties involved on production side. It’s a serious violation and producers do get in real hot water for it.

It’s clear she came to work that day and performed the duties of armorer. Whether or not she exceeded her 6 days doesn’t matter other than how it should have affected her paycheck. The emails in the report don’t tell us how that issue was resolved