A list of Audiophile Fallacies

[pderousse]

Let’s please stop using google translate. Please use established lists of logical fallacies. The one on Wikipedia is fine. You do not gain in authority by making a poor translation of your idea into a language that you either do not know or have forgotten.

Ad virem does not mean an appeal to power. This would be ad vires. It does not mean an appeal to masculinity, this would be ad virtutem. I know virem can be found on the internet, but trust a 32 year Latin teacher, it is not a word that exists.

However much this is all in good fun, understand that most of the known fallacies are just variations on the non sequitur (the evidence does not follow to that conclusion). By inventing new ones, you are just renaming (poorly) things that professional philosophers have already described, amply.

 

[ahofer]

Let’s please stop using google translate. Please use established lists of logical fallacies. The one on Wikipedia is fine. You do not gain in authority by making a poor translation of your idea into a language that you either do not know or have forgotten.

Ad virem does not mean an appeal to power. This would be ad vires. It does not mean an appeal to masculinity, this would be ad virtutem. I know virem can be found on the internet, but trust a 32 year Latin teacher, it is not a word that exists.

However much this is all in good fun, understand that most of the known fallacies are just variations on the non sequitur (the evidence does not follow to that conclusion). By inventing new ones, you are just renaming (poorly) things that professional philosophers have already described, amply.

Dude. Stop telling people what to do. And get a sense of humor.

 

[pderousse]

Dude. Stop telling people what to do. And get a sense of humor.

I contributed (amply) to your joke. But now you give me the pooh-pooh, on the very topic you raised?
I must lgnore the fact that you are telling me what to do.

 

[ahofer]

Btw, was there a SCOTUS comment here? I missed it. Moderator must have chopped it or it’s from someone I muted.

I’m reminded of this (although the watermark is cringey)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806710315624661041

 

[Titurel]

Btw, was there a SCOTUS comment here? I missed it. Moderator must have chopped it or it’s from someone I muted.

Only a futile effort to show the value of analogy when reasoning about (or trying to convey) complex logical questions. Nothing political in it.

 

[ahofer]

I contributed (amply) to your joke. But now you give me the pooh-pooh, on the very topic you raised?
I must lgnore the fact that you are telling me what to do.

You Pooh-poohed first!

Btw, the specific fallacies corresponding to the wine and ‘everything matters’ gambits elude
me. Also I’m not sure which list you would appeal-to-authority as exhaustive because there are thousands all over the web, including subsets and alternatives.

 

[pderousse]

You Pooh-poohed first!

Btw, the specific fallacies corresponding to the wine and ‘everything matters’ gambits eludes
me. Also I’m not sure which list you would appeal-to-authority as exhaustive because there are thousands all over the web, including subsets and alternatives.

You very much misunderstand me, if you think I pooh-pooed this topic. I'm obviously very interested and personally invested (see personal remarks above). I have no idea what the appeal to wine argument means either (others can answer to that). There is no exhaustive list. I cited a few good ones above.

 

[Titurel]

You very much misunderstand me, if you think I pooh-pooed this topic. I'm obviously very interested and personally invested (see personal remarks above). I have no idea what the appeal to wine argument means either (others can answer to that). There is no exhaustive list. I cited a few good ones above.

cogito ergo pooh-pooh

 

[Petrushka]

Experience lead to that conclusion? I hope not. I’m betting the conclusion was based on evidence

Evidence and experience are not mutually exclusive. They overlap. There’s a lot of pointless niggling here.

Double blind is the rule for anything involving humans reporting perceptions. I don’t know the history of this, but I doubt if it sprang up fully formed.

When the ESP experiments were being done at Duke University, the better they got at controlling the conditions, the less ESP.

I would expect this to happen with audiophile phenomena.

I think it is impossible to control the way different speakers interact with rooms, so I doubt if objective measurements will ever replace subjective preference in speakers.

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Evidence and experience are not mutually exclusive. They overlap. There’s a lot of pointless niggling here.

I would somewhat agree were this not an audio forum. How often have you witnessed an audiophile claiming their personal experience trumps mountains of objective evidence?

There may be crossover. But in audio we are best served separating them with a crowbar or something even more violent

 

[Petrushka]

I would somewhat agree were this not an audio forum. How often have you witnessed an audiophile claiming their personal experience trumps mountains of objective evidence?

There may be crossover. But in audio we are best served separating them with a crowbar or something even more violent

I visit the Reddit audiophile sub, and I see this dozens of times a day. I’ve seen it here. Look at the Fosi Z3 Mono thread.

Clearly sounds different. Not just subtly different. Dramatically different. No double blind tests in sight.

So to speak.

 

[MattHooper]

If I don’t have the evidence on hand I’m going to go get the evidence! It’s there. I just have to get it and present it.

Here is what I am NOT going to do. I’m not going to offer an analogy as and argument. For example, I’m not going to argue that AC power cords are like water pipes and all you need is a big enough gauge and a water pipe will deliver water perfectly therefore so will an AC power cord.

Set up alert

OK, thanks. I can see your point of view and I won’t belabour mine at this point. Cheers.

 

[Adis]

cogito ergo pooh-pooh