Probably yes, but I don't believe in huge different between in listening Edifier S3000 Pro versus Airpulse A100, but it's not the point. OP want spend 30 000 dollars, and you write about Airpulse A100 with subwoofer? Come on...
Uhhhh, not sure what to make of this. Not even close to what i am looking for, but thanks for the recommend regardless.Do not waste your time and money with big brand names where the original designer / audio engineer has died long time ago ! It's just crap all made in China anyway by incompetent people who have no relationship with the original creator.
Get an active speaker Airpulse A100 from Phil Jones (who is alive and makes them in the biggest Chinese factory that makes speakers) + a SVS PB 2000 PRO (or dual sub) or other quality subwoofer and call it a day.
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The Airpulse A100 has true ribbon twitter + underhung woofer (99% of speakers do not have underhung but overhung) (read more here : https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/airpulse-a300 )
You need to pay 10 times the price so around 10 000 euros to get marginal increase in sound quality.
Thanks !
Not tempted by some of the big 3-way 12** Gens?
@RobL And your thoughts on those 61s?USD$30k…hmm that’s around CAD$40k. Well, for myself it’d be 8361A’s + W371A’s, but I already own the ‘61s.
I really like the looks of the Grimm LS1BE, it’d probably be something I’d consider. My wife much prefers that look over my ‘61s
… what else have you listened to and compared in that performance level? As to Grimm, based on my research at least Genelec outperforms them, plus I think more value for the money with Genelec, though the W371 price is a bit on the ridiculous side, IMHO
@RobL And your thoughts on those 61s?
I haven’t experienced any of the big 12** Genelecs but I imagine they are very competent monitors. Most comparisons between say, the smallest 12, the 1237A and 8361A, slightly favor the 8361A. My guess is the other larger models mainly give you more spl…but they are way to big for most living rooms. The next larger 1238A is a 32” tall x 19” wide, my wife is very understanding but has her limits
Reviews and measurements are NOT favorable … is this a joke? And do you happen to work for this company or are a dealer for the brand? And made in China? No thanks.It is not close at all to what you are looking for, simply because you are looking at things from a wrong perspective / angle. From a marketing perspective and what people say about something.
Try to listen to them and do your research, they beat the other speakers for a fraction of the cost.
The speakers you look forward to buy, don't even have an underhung woofer despite costing thousands ! It is laughable that companies do that, because consumers know nothing but their marketing materials and "ratings" on websites from other people who know nothing.
The only end game is the rational end game. And i don't see how buying speakers that are surgically correct but lack musicality or have terrible sound signatures and tone can represent a good option.
They just cost a lot of money because they are big brands.
But these speakers are better in the sense that they are completely transparent, have a unique sound, no distortions, very musical and are made by a legend who is still alive !
He didn't die and his company got sold to some investment funds like the others.
Ohh but the difference is huge !
Even the president of Edifier says so about their joint venture with Phil Jones and Airpulse speakers compared to their own ! His favorite and his wife favorite is Airpulse
Enjoy !
It is not close at all to what you are looking for, simply because you are looking at things from a wrong perspective / angle. From a marketing perspective and what people say about something.
Try to listen to them and do your research, they beat the other speakers for a fraction of the cost.
The speakers you look forward to buy, don't even have an underhung woofer despite costing thousands ! It is laughable that companies do that, because consumers know nothing but their marketing materials and "ratings" on websites from other people who know nothing.
The only end game is the rational end game. And i don't see how buying speakers that are surgically correct but lack musicality or have terrible sound signatures and tone can represent a good option.
They just cost a lot of money because they are big brands.
But these speakers are better in the sense that they are completely transparent, have a unique sound, no distortions, very musical and are made by a legend who is still alive !
He didn't die and his company got sold to some investment funds like the others.
Ohh but the difference is huge !
Even the president of Edifier says so about their joint venture with Phil Jones and Airpulse speakers compared to their own ! His favorite and his wife favorite is Airpulse
Enjoy !
OP is looking for SOTA 30k speakers. He's short listed some of the world's best speakers. The Airpulse 100 is probably fine but obviously suited for smaller spaces, seems to have cabinet resonances and high distortion. It can't compete with Genelec's same size (and price) 8030C let alone the 8361+W371 combo. Same thing with TOTL Kef models and other speakers on the list.
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So you're saying, KEF, genelec etc are not designed by real engineers and we're all just suckers?But where do you think your speakers / the other speakers are made ? In china and then they go back to USA & Europe. But wait they are designed in USA or Europe right and build in China.
Chinese people can do luxury stuff not just cheap stuff, so please don't be a racist.
Maybe you are a dealer or work as a factory worker or as an influencer for the speaker companies that you mention in a list and you "say that you want to buy end game top of the line best speaker". Please don't accuse people of nonsense.
The have Klippel in factory too, didn't you watch ? Where is the "bad distortion" that you talk about ? Did you listen to them, i have a pair next to me ! You have a graph.
Are you a salesperson as MKR, who pretends to a be a naive consumer and accuses other people of what he is doing ? Maybe my next topic should be : " i have a million dollars - give me my end game. Well the end game is when you "die" and you hear the Music of the Spheres my friend. The true hyper audiophile stuff.
Can i express my opinion and not get racist arguments that if the speakers are made in China they are crap, because somehow China is bad and the west is great ?
The audio engineer is from UK ! And worked in many UK firms before. But you know nothing of this, you just read marketing big budget companies advertisement and think that you are smart.
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It is my firm opinion that MKR is wasting his money on gear that pretends to be what is not or does not worth it. None of the speakers mentioned are "end game". Because end game does not exist.
So why not be reasonable and logical and get something with a true ribbon twitter + underhung woofer, yes made in China just like the rest, by a great audio engineer who has a lot of knowledge, not JUST MARKETING STUFF YOU ALL READ ON SPEAKER COMPANIES WEBSITES AND then come here to repeat on the forum their propaganda.
Now if you have a big room why not try some SWAN speakers:
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Some M5A : https://www.swanspeakers.com/product/view?id=149
Or why not M803A : https://www.swanspeakers.com/product/view?id=193
If you have money, just a little over your buget : $ 35397
Swan
Swans origins from China and has worldwide reputation. After 33 years fast growth, Swans is now one of the renowned high-end audio manufacturers in the world and is highly acclaimed for its so many remarkable loudspeaker products.
They have other cheeper also :
Swan
Swans origins from China and has worldwide reputation. After 33 years fast growth, Swans is now one of the renowned high-end audio manufacturers in the world and is highly acclaimed for its so many remarkable loudspeaker products.
Swan
Swans origins from China and has worldwide reputation. After 33 years fast growth, Swans is now one of the renowned high-end audio manufacturers in the world and is highly acclaimed for its so many remarkable loudspeaker products.
Swan
Swans origins from China and has worldwide reputation. After 33 years fast growth, Swans is now one of the renowned high-end audio manufacturers in the world and is highly acclaimed for its so many remarkable loudspeaker products.
Just trying to help you out, you don't have to be rude.
@umbral I am far from a racist, and where I choose to spend my money has nothing to do with this, and frankly none of your business. You are making some serious accusations with zero knowledge behind it. This thread was excellent until you showed up. Please stop.But where do you think your speakers / the other speakers are made ? In china and then they go back to USA & Europe. But wait they are designed in USA or Europe right and build in China.
Chinese people can do luxury stuff not just cheap stuff, so please don't be a racist.
Maybe you are a dealer or work as a factory worker or as an influencer for the speaker companies that you mention in a list and you "say that you want to buy end game top of the line best speaker". Please don't accuse people of nonsense.
The have Klippel in factory too, didn't you watch ? Where is the "bad distortion" that you talk about ? Did you listen to them, i have a pair next to me ! You have a graph.
Are you a salesperson as MKR, who pretends to a be a naive consumer and accuses other people of what he is doing ? Maybe my next topic should be : " i have a million dollars - give me my end game. Well the end game is when you "die" and you hear the Music of the Spheres my friend. The true hyper audiophile stuff.
Can i express my opinion and not get racist arguments that if the speakers are made in China they are crap, because somehow China is bad and the west is great ?
The audio engineer is from UK ! And worked in many UK firms before. But you know nothing of this, you just read marketing big budget companies advertisement and think that you are smart.
Phil Jones Pure Sound & AAD Speakers - Official | High End Sound | Phil Jones Pure Sound
High end speakers, guitar & best bass amps, proprietary sound mastering equipment, home theater surround sound & club speakers.
It is my firm opinion that MKR is wasting his money on gear that pretends to be what is not or does not worth it. None of the speakers mentioned are "end game". Because end game does not exist.
So why not be reasonable and logical and get something with a true ribbon twitter + underhung woofer, yes made in China just like the rest, by a great audio engineer who has a lot of knowledge, not JUST MARKETING STUFF YOU ALL READ ON SPEAKER COMPANIES WEBSITES AND then come here to repeat on the forum their propaganda.
Now if you have a big room why not try some SWAN speakers:
View attachment 245618
Some M5A : https://www.swanspeakers.com/product/view?id=149
Or why not M803A : https://www.swanspeakers.com/product/view?id=193
If you have money, just a little over your buget : $ 35397
Swan
Swans origins from China and has worldwide reputation. After 33 years fast growth, Swans is now one of the renowned high-end audio manufacturers in the world and is highly acclaimed for its so many remarkable loudspeaker products.
They have other cheeper also :
Swan
Swans origins from China and has worldwide reputation. After 33 years fast growth, Swans is now one of the renowned high-end audio manufacturers in the world and is highly acclaimed for its so many remarkable loudspeaker products.
Swan
Swans origins from China and has worldwide reputation. After 33 years fast growth, Swans is now one of the renowned high-end audio manufacturers in the world and is highly acclaimed for its so many remarkable loudspeaker products.
Swan
Swans origins from China and has worldwide reputation. After 33 years fast growth, Swans is now one of the renowned high-end audio manufacturers in the world and is highly acclaimed for its so many remarkable loudspeaker products.
Just trying to help you out, you don't have to be rude.
@umbral I am far from a racist, and where I choose to spend my money has nothing to do with this, and frankly none of your business. You are making some serious accusations with zero knowledge behind it. This thread was excellent until you showed up. Please stop.
@amirm Please can you help to correct this situation?
Very sad to see the direction this has turned, very sorry everyone
@walt99 Thank you sir. AHB2 on my short list if I go passive and decide to change amps, so good to know. What other speakers did you audition before deciding on the 328s? As to the WAF, have a dedicated room, so the wife could care less what they look like, no issue with the 8361/371 combo
@goskers Thank you. I actually like the look of the 8361s. 371? Not so much. One concern I have about the 8361s is narrow dispersion that has been reported by some, but others have stated not correct and rather they have fairly wide dispersion, though maybe not comparable to more traditional non-point source (coaxial) driver. What is your experience? What is your listening distance? And do you use for HT or only 2ch music listening? Thanks!
