InfiniteJester
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This is why I may sound like a shill but... and no driver flex form the Orca just funky looking shells.
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We all simp for some IEM.
This is why I may sound like a shill but... and no driver flex form the Orca just funky looking shells.
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This is not only not scientific, but plane wrong. Every driver that manages to play 20kHz is "fast" enough. It is just a myth.Personally (and while this is not scientific); I find that multi driver IEMs are "faster". When I listen to house / electronica music; dynamic / single driver IEMs tend to get muddy.
Planar headphones tend to be "faster" as electrostatics are often even faster than planar. Which allows for cleaner and better tone separation.
When listening to classical or jazz; it doesn't seem to make a real difference (although some dynamics have ringing at certain frequencies, especially higher notes produced by violins).
This is not only not scientific, but plane wrong. Every driver that manages to play 20kHz is "fast" enough. It is just a myth.
For minimal phase devices, as IEMs usually are, everything is contained in the frequency response, the temporal quantities via Fourier transform. You can also check measurements of the impulse repsonse of various IEMs at https://www.hypethesonics.com/iemdbc/ and click on "J" on the middle. There is, as expected, no relevant difference between any two IEMs, independent of price or driver configuration.Are you sure?
There seems to be people who think that group delay and step response are important measures.
Why do you think that they are not?
Mmm, but why? I am not dismissing your experience at all, I just want some measurement beyond THD and frequency response that could be connected to that idea/experience.Personally (and while this is not scientific); I find that multi driver IEMs are "faster". When I listen to house / electronica music; dynamic / single driver IEMs tend to get muddy.
Planar headphones tend to be "faster" as electrostatics are often even faster than planar. Which allows for cleaner and better tone separation.
When listening to classical or jazz; it doesn't seem to make a real difference (although some dynamics have ringing at certain frequencies, especially higher notes produced by violins).
I'm not sure how many is too many and where diminishing returns hit, but looking at this penta driver VS the Quad driver both from the same company; it looks like the diminishing returns hit right here (at least in their designs) as the performance here is not better than that of their own quad driver.
I also have the quad and with EQ those are really nice.. But I don't hate them without EQ either (yet the sound isn't as balanced as this Penta).
I dial in the amount of correction in high frequencies by ear. Such is the case here as I put in less than what the frequency response indicated. Now, whether that is right or wrong, I am not sure.Boosted high frequencies (compared to Harman 2019) seem to translate into pure siblance to me, so I prefer to see a sharp cut to those but it's hard to say from measurements where exactly that comes from on the frequency spectrum.
Not my experience. I don't deal with what others claim, I'm just telling you what I have heard. Playing a single tone at 20khz isn't the same as playing several different ones at the same time.This is not only not scientific, but plane wrong. Every driver that manages to play 20kHz is "fast" enough. It is just a myth.
I also have the triple driver and they have much more of a muddy sound VS the quad or penta.The sound guy Luca Bignardi probably tuned the Penta Driver to the sounds of his electric guitar.
I have the 1More Triple Driver, they have an odd tuning as well. They are not really good for listening to music.
But they are the best IEMs to practise e-guitar at home. On the headphone out of my Mesa Boogie Mark Five:25 they sound incredible. Better than anything else.
I wish I knew why. I'm not a sound engineer like that. I just listen to music. I did some research but it's nothing concrete. The summary is basically in what I wrote above.Mmm, but why? I am not dismissing your experience at all, I just want some measurement beyond THD and frequency response that could be connected to that idea/experience.
You are not alone in raising this and I do believe that there's something beyond the two main measurements we have today (THD and FR) that influences our subjective experiences. I don't know if IMD is one of those data points, but it is one that I think could be measurable (unlike say, how the geometry of the IEM interacts with your own ear).
I've mentioned this elsewhere in this forum but personally, as long as the IEM is inserted at the sorta same length I think that IEMs sound mostly the same as long as they measure somewhat the same, no matter what tech they use. Boosted high frequencies (compared to Harman 2019) seem to translate into pure siblance to me, so I prefer to see a sharp cut to those but it's hard to say from measurements where exactly that comes from on the frequency spectrum.
That's probably why I like the Triple Driver so much on the guitar amp.I also have the triple driver and they have much more of a muddy sound VS the quad or penta.
Do you have the Triple Driver Over-Ear or In-Ear?I have the 1More Triple Driver, they have an odd tuning as well. They are not really good for listening to music.
The In-EarDo you have the Triple Driver Over-Ear or In-Ear?
Interesting. It appears that 7Hz uses five identical DD drivers in individual chambers (assumed each one has a slightly different FR) and, again, a filter to “shape” the desired FR target. But since it’s only a “target”, and actual preferences vary by user, I personally prefer a simpler architecture, with one or two good drivers (low-distortion) and a cable with embedded DSP to shape my preferred FR.As far as alluding to the number five, here's a recent IEM release https://www.linsoul.com/products/7hz-five
Reason being that BA Drivers tend to have higher distortion at higher output levels but frankly you'll never be acutally using them at those levels. The real benefit of Multi drivers & BAs are to allow you to get a more specific tuning curve that is much harder to get out of single DD drivers.Is there an ASR consensus on the use of multiple drivers in IEMs? We have single DD IEMs such as the 7Hz Zero 2s with vanishingly low harmonic distortion. I haven’t seen many multi-driver IEMs measured but the ones I’ve seen have significantly more distortion. I’d imagine that all those crossovers would add thd and/or IMD, though I’m pretty hazy on the details. Do multi driver designs bring anything to the table or is it all marketing and hokum?
Aha - it all makes sense now.The sound guy Luca Bignardi probably tuned the Penta Driver to the sounds of his electric guitar.