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Yep, that big ass dip is what made my games sound like shit.
@solderdude at the other end of the price spectrum, any impressions of HE4XX and HE5XX and after-EQ results? Which to get?
FR differences given, are there any other differences notable between the single-sided magnets HE4XX and double-sided HE5XX? For example, CSD?The HE4XX is definitely better
FR differences given, are there any other differences notable between the single-sided magnets HE4XX and double-sided HE5XX? For example, CSD?
The $160 HifiMan HE4XX still has the closest frequency response to the $60,000 Sennheiser HE-1 I've seen in the mids and lower treble, the frequencies our ears are most sensitive to, moreso than the $5,000 Sonoma Model One, which is only really closer in the bass
Interesting. May I ask what causes the 'finer steppiness' (don't know what else to call it - the 'finer' 'higher resolution' ?) of the HE5XX plot? Lower mass/thinner diaphragm? Tension? Amp output impedance? (Damping?) Or?The HE4XX has ostensibly 'cleaner' CSD:
Those that heard the HE-1 and Sonoma in real life in quiet conditions for a minimal time period and have been able to compare them with other TOTL headphones may well agree on the amount of bass but not about other aspects, such as the 'effortless' and seemingly disappearing headphones.
There is a definite audible difference (for trained ears) between those TOTL headphones and entry level planars that, admittedly, have a good sound quality for the price. No match for TOTL though. The OP seems to have heard owned a lot and I agree about the described qualities of the HE1.
There really is not much that really compares, even when EQ'ed.
The average person will probably not hear much differences between 2 headphones that are EQ'ed quite similarly.
Interesting. May I ask what causes the 'finer steppiness' (don't know what else to call it - the 'finer' 'higher resolution' ?) of the HE5XX plot? Lower mass/thinner diaphragm? Tension? Amp output impedance? (Damping?) Or?
If you haven't done blind, level-matched listening tests side-by-side without knowing anything about the headphones being tested beforehand, this is just unfounded, elitist nonsense subject to pricing bias (among many other unconscious cognitive biases)
Interesting. May I ask what causes the 'finer steppiness' (don't know what else to call it - the 'finer' 'higher resolution' ?) of the HE5XX plot? Lower mass/thinner diaphragm? Tension? Amp output impedance? (Damping?) Or?
I tend to boost the hell out of the sub 75hz range, maybe remove a treble peak here and there. But I noticed on Windows since a recent update the EQ has had less effect on the music I've been listening to. When I play music through VLC and use that EQ, the differences are no longer subtle and I can clearly hear them.
As we already discussed in another thread, your opinion is pretty much worthless unless gained in a controlled environment. For now, your "I hear it, and my friends do" argument is the same as the one that cable believers use. I find it ironic and hypocritical, since you are often being at the forefront when it comes to bashing those people.It seems like you have done this and found the HE4XX is just as good.
That's good news for your wallet though.
I would/will never own any overpriced headphone(s) b.t.w. (consider > E 1000 overpriced) but am not afraid to admit some of them sound really good and better than some entry level headphones.
I do get to hear the overpriced stuff though but am totally happy to go home and enjoy my non-elitist headphone(s).
Admit it... you just hate it I call the cheap HE4XX 'entry level'
You do know part of how the Sonama's response is so good is the DSP in its DAC/amp, right? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that per say, just that it makes it not such a good example of the base frequency response needing to be good. In other words, since it only works with its own special energizer which the DSP comes alongside, there is no analog base frequency response with the Sonama- it's already EQed.
You do know part of how the Sonama's response is so good is the DSP in its DAC/amp, right?
There is no connection between some tonal balance research and the fact that you were making unsupported assertions which are based on nothing except your anecdotal beliefs. You're getting off the subject.How do you suggest to blind test a HD800 vs a HE4XX in controlled environment ?
I hope you are not suggesting to emulate the 'sound' of 2 vastly different headphones, determined on a specific testrig, that doesn't take angling of drivers and many other specific properties (driver-ear distance, positioning, size and type, space around the drivers) into account and try to mimic that sound on a cheap headphone ?
Of course you know already that the research done by 'those people' was to determine what tonal balance people like/prefer and was not intended to prove cheaper headphones are equally good to expensive ones. Only that you can make them have a somewhat similar 'sound'... not the same.
That is not 'bashing' those people at all. Feel free to ask them, they are on this forum.
Ask them if the goal of their testing was to investigate tonal balance so that they have a target that works for the majority of people and to educate Harman employers or that it was done to prove cheaper headphones sound equally good as expensive ones only to keep manufacturing expensive ones like the K812 (which isn't so bad sounding as many claim it is).
B.t.w. I left my friends (who you dragged in for some reason) out of it as I don't have any, for the obvious reasons you mentioned about my character.
sorry for using emojis as a tool of damage control in my poor reply to your well-reasoned post