New to this forum and I like it. It seems like most here refrain from sniping one another and that is refreshing. Finally, I like how you deal with trash!
Nice setup. What brand of diffuser are those; my listening/family room will be more than a tad challenging to fix and I starting to get my ducks in a row for July, next year.
I acquired some of these via the @Rottmannash contact. Was a smooth transaction. I'm very happy with the speakers. I've got a large class D amp on them and they sound excellent all the way around. I replaced some F12's with these in a surround setup. Also will double for stereo now. I dropped the F208 right in the same place as the F12 speakers are physically similar with a pair of 8 inch woofers and being floor standers. Works just great in the same spot of the room.
I don't have 5 F208s. That would be good. No just a pair for left and right front. Other lesser speakers for center and surrounds. Plus some Rhythmik subs.Would love to see a full surround setup with these! Pics?
I acquired some of these via the @Rottmannash contact. Was a smooth transaction. I'm very happy with the speakers. I've got a large class D amp on them and they sound excellent all the way around. I replaced some F12's with these in a surround setup. Also will double for stereo now. I dropped the F208 right in the same place as the F12 speakers are physically similar with a pair of 8 inch woofers and being floor standers. Works just great in the same spot of the room.
I wonder how much these changed the final height of the speakers compared to the stock feet? If you look at the measurements it wouldn't take much change in the vertical axis at the listening chair to modify the speakers sound.Just a suggestion, but I found that the F208's work even better when properly isolated. I use a set of IsoAcoustics Gaia II under both and they do improve the performance in terms of detail, clarity, sound stage and imaging.
If the changes are as extensive as you believe they would reveal themselves very easily.I'm not certain how easy it would be to objectively measure the improvements, but think the issue might come down to their quite elevated price in relation to the degree of performance improvements. For me and my listening room with its wooden flooring, they were definitely worth it .
I wonder how much these changed the final height of the speakers compared to the stock feet? If you look at the measurements it wouldn't take much change in the vertical axis at the listening chair to modify the speakers sound.
If the changes are as extensive as you believe they would reveal themselves very easily.
But you would have to take extensive before and after measurements in your listening room.
As you mentioned the elevated price of these feet, ($300) I must also say that it's just as possible that much of the improvements you hear are $ induced bias that would disappear under properly controlled listening tests.
Might I also suggest some room treatment in the way of heavy rugs on your hardwood floors to tame bounce.
Covering the area between the speakers and 1/3 to 1/2 way to listening chair, this might even further improve focus and detail.
Now time to save up for a couple more at least, and expand into multich music.
Enjoy those 208
Thanks, I did go through these same thoughts and oft stated questions about these isolators. However, now being a bit of an oldie, the chief bits of assessment equipment that I use are attached to the sides of my head - although they seem determined to outgrow it. Hence, my suggestion around more objective measurements.I wonder how much these changed the final height of the speakers compared to the stock feet? If you look at the measurements it wouldn't take much change in the vertical axis at the listening chair to modify the speakers sound.
If the changes are as extensive as you believe they would reveal themselves very easily.
But you would have to take extensive before and after measurements in your listening room.
As you mentioned the elevated price of these feet, ($300) I must also say that it's just as possible that much of the improvements you hear are $ induced bias that would disappear under properly controlled listening tests.
Might I also suggest some room treatment in the way of heavy rugs on your hardwood floors to tame bounce.
Covering the area between the speakers and 1/3 to 1/2 way to listening chair, this might even further improve focus and detail.
Now time to save up for a couple more at least, and expand into multich music.
Enjoy those 208
That's your #1 mistake and the first people should take away from this site.Thanks, I did go through these same thoughts and oft stated questions about these isolators. However, now being a bit of an oldie, the chief bits of assessment equipment that I use are attached to the sides of my head
Sure they can but we can only help to lead you to the knowledge to do it yourself, in your room, on your gear, with your own eyes. In very simple terms,So I really do think that the real issue is whether my perception can be objectively proven. That's something that I hope will be addressed at some point on this excellent site.
AHB2 is such a low distortion amp, I'm really not sure what would justify the difference in sound quality. Are you really needing more than 100 watts per channel? They're a fairly efficient speaker.I have been fascinated by comparisons between the Revel 228 Be and the open baffle designs (especially the Spatial Audio X5). Having just bought the F208's new, I was nearly convinced that the performance of Revel speakers were like 'drinking warm cocoa'. I assume this analogy aimed to suggest that they are not dynamic and even boring. That was the phrase used to compare them to the X5's and it did spring to mind when I brought them home and began playing them on a single Benchmark AHB2 amplifier.
That was before a friend suggested I run them on mono blocks. Well, I bought a second and now run them on two Benchmark AHB2 power amps in bridged mono. The difference is huge. Better attack, bass extension, imaging, sound stage, detail and tonality. The speakers definitely like power and boy do they reward that gift. I suspect this will be the same regarding the F208's successors, the 228 Be's.
That's your #1 mistake and the first people should take away from this site.
Human perceptions are the easiest things to fool and the last thing you should trust as verified evidence.
Even more so if your an "oldie". I'm 71.
Sure they can but we can only help to lead you to the knowledge to do it yourself, in your room, on your gear, with your own eyes. In very simple terms,
Start by downloading the free REW room measurement software and picking up a Umik1 measurement mic for around $100, peanuts to what we have already invested in our gear.
You will then need to learn your way around the software and then after that start making some before and after measurements.
There are other options, making recordings of your system playing back your fav music in a before and after condition. Then setup a blind listening test having someone else play back the recordings on your system for you and see if you can identify one from the other. There are many cavils here, the recordings will have to be done and played back under absolutely identical conditions, identical levels within 0.25 db, no identifying background noises, etc, etc.
You have a difficult project ahead since there's no easy way to do instant switching between configs under blind conditions that I can think of. Others should have some other suggestions.
The one fact I think you have to come to grips with is that raising or lowering your speakers an inch or two, and the products isolation is entirely possible of changing the sound at the MLP (main listening position) but you have given this minor change some major and wide ranging effects. IMHO Any real changes should be subtle in the extreme, think about the likely hood of that.
AHB2 is such a low distortion amp, I'm really not sure what would justify the difference in sound quality. Are you really needing more than 100 watts per channel? They're a fairly efficient speaker.
Apologize if I sound "strong".Thanks for your strong suggestions.
yes, it really did make that much of a difference! Give it a try
Apologize if I sound "strong".
I'm a man of plain talk and try to get things across with as few words as possible.
My JBL HDI-3600's came with rubber feet, no need.
Remember those 6'x6' entertainment racks that were popular in the late 80's? It held the tv, video game system, all the stereo components and even a pull out to hold all the vhs tapes? I kept my hifi on one til the mid 90's and when I put them on a proper equipment rack I couldn't believe the difference.
No doubt the revels revel in power