Anton D
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That would be an Audio Science Rainman.Haha yeah I wouldn't lose friends over audio. That's audio foolish.
That would be an Audio Science Rainman.Haha yeah I wouldn't lose friends over audio. That's audio foolish.
That made me laugh out loud. Wonderful.Funny thing is that when I brought the last point up in another forum the subjectivist went bonkers, "BOOM! So you are a fake objectivist after all".
I agree. I think that dividing us in these camps represents a category error. (See my reply above a few moments ago.) But some people pursue this categorization of people into these opposing camps and seem happy with it over the long term despite all arguments, pleas and evidence. So it seems obvious to me that they profit somehow from doing so. I'm not sure what it is. A sense of identity, belonging, purpose, superiority? I don't know. This is what really interests me: the psychology behind the motivation of this oppositional behavior. It might be the same reward mechanism as loyalty to a sports team, for all I know.Edit. I am not disagreeing with you. I take issue with the words objective and subjective, as if these are two distinct camps. They are not.
Technically speaking, you are (possibly) correct.
Technically speaking, we are dying the moment we are born. That doesn't mean that we put newborns in hospice care .... because in the end, we are all practical.
Jim
You mention sports - yeah, I can never figure that out, either.I agree. I think that dividing us in these camps represents a category error. (See my reply above a few moments ago.) But some people pursue this categorization of people into these opposing camps and seem happy with it over the long term despite all arguments, pleas and evidence. So it seems obvious to me that they profit somehow from doing so. I'm not sure what it is. A sense of identity, belonging, purpose, superiority? I don't know. This is what really interests me: the psychology behind the motivation of this oppositional behavior. It might be the same reward mechanism as loyalty to a sports team, for all I know.
The objectivist sees a sharp knife. The subjectivist sees a way of cutting a boring conversation short.You mention sports - yeah, I can never figure that out, either.
An objective and a subjective are chatting about tubes/valve amplification versus class D in the kitchen.
By accident, one of them knocks a sharp and heavy steak knife off the table landing right in the objective's foot.
The objective yells at the subjective, asking him why he didn’t catch the knife.
“You know that subjectives don’t catch falling knives - any possibility of a cut or abrasion may cause damage to my ears”.
He in turn asks the objective why he didn’t move his foot out of the way.
The objective responds, “I calculated that it could not go that low and so fast with that much precision".
Edit - in the interests of disclosure, this is adapted from a joke in another different but similar context.
I am not disagreeing with you. I take issue with the words objective and subjective, as if these are two distinct camps. They are not.
This is what really interests me: the psychology behind the motivation of this oppositional behavior.
They are psychological preferences, and people can have mild or extreme preferences.
Take heart from the fact that 99.9 % of people have no interest in audio at all, and audiophiles are in fact a tiny, tiny slice of society.Despite ASR has gained big popularity over the years, the world we live in is still full of audiophools. Many of them are, sadly, our friends. It's not enough to unfriend them over their belief in things that we believe are non senses/snake oils, but it's sometimes painful to see what they do or hear what they say about audio.
Today a friend of mine reach out and told me that he got a new silver USB C to USB C, and claimed it brings a lot of clarity to the sound. the harshness he had before was gone.
If I hadn't been on ASR, it was probably fine for me. But now it is so painful to read what he says
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I disagree. There is no such thing as "mild" or "extreme" psychological preferences. Just preferences.
I know that this is superficial and that two people with identical MB profiles will respond differently depending on their many cultural differences, eg, Dutch vs American vs Australian.
God no I don't feel jealous - I actually feel a bit sorry for them.I don't berate my audiophile friends who still believe in magic and perhaps I am a little jealous that they gain something from the system changes that I no longer do, or believe in.
People have a different preference, or taste, for certain things. They can have a strong preference for something, or they couldn't care less. What is there to disagree?
I notice your careful qualification "for certain things". I cannot respond in a meaningful manner with that little black swan in the discussion, because it is obvious. Everyone can think of "certain things" about which they have binary preferences. Either yes please or no thanks. I have no wish to discuss such trivial observations.
I have no wish to discuss such trivial observations.