Feel free to keep in this thread if you don’t mind! Unless I end up going active , fully complementary to this thread … maybe we can say “best amps for $30k budget loudspeakers”Will we start a new thread on partnering amps or continue this one
There is this new Schiit 5 watter. You should just buy that for Schiit and giggles..Feel free to keep in this thread if you don’t mind! Unless I end up going active , fully complementary to this thread … maybe we can say “best amps for $30k budget loudspeakers”
@symphara Great question! Indeed I had a very positive impression of the A5, an excellent loudspeaker, they absolutely deserve the accolades. But, compared to others that have remained on my short list (that I have auditioned … Salon 2, Acora, Zellaton, Leagcy, etc), they just did not provide the same level of performance (for MY ears). But again, a well engineered loudspeaker no doubt about it.
I'm an old studio guy who has heard and used practically everything. Somewhat contra your search, I don't believe there's an endgame - merely several enticing flavors of almost-there. That said, for the last several years I have been really, really enjoying JBL 4367s for leisure listening. I like extreme transparency to the master tape (which I can judge by listening to one of my own) but with a relaxing, at-home-not-work downtilt through the octaves. The 4367s do great, but the Jubilees were just way-more-so ... utterly effortless, with no sensation at all of actual transducers doing anything - just an immense soundstage hanging there in the room. I'm not clear yet whether the (outboard) DSP does FR-shaping as well as crossing over and time alignment, but my perception of the result was smooth and relatively flat, with limitless punch and dynamics. Never any impression of approaching distortion or compression. Short answer, even a cynical old curmudgeon like me was impressed enough to shell out.
I had that experience listening to the original Infinity IRS system. EVERYTHING sounds massive. Worked great on full orchestral music, less so with Joni Mitchel and her guitar.I have a question for you with the Jubilee- did they always sound massive? Like even when listening to a single vocalist in an acoustic setting?
Just about zero.Speaking of bad dealer experiences, I had one that brought up the ethical question: How obliged do you feel to purchase from a dealer who provided a poor auditioning service?
I tried lining up a listen months in advance.I've always tried to be conscientious about wasting any dealer's time - I've known a number of them and I feel for how difficult the business can be, especially dealing with tire-kickers or worse, people who use their facilities to audition a speaker with the intention of buying it over the internet cheaper.
However, I had this scenario occur:
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I'm curious about other people's thoughts on these type of scenarios.
I had that experience listening to the original Infinity IRS system. EVERYTHING sounds massive. Worked great on full orchestral music, less so with Joni Mitchel and her guitar.
The only way I could ever live with such massive speakers would be with them fully concealed behind an entire wall of grille cloth.
No, they weren't exaggerated in scale - a single vocalist or instrument was accurately life-sized, but the apparent stereo tableau surrounding it (reverbs, ambience, original room sound etc) was wider and especially taller than I get from the 4367s. Due to the height of the speaker, I assume, and the width - a standard L - R separation of, say, 7 or 8 feet measured inner edge to inner edge puts the acoustic centers 11 or 12 feet apart. In fact the phantom images were very precise, but with extra separation between them, due to the percentage increase in perceived stage size.I have a question for you with the Jubilee- did they always sound massive? Like even when listening to a single vocalist in an acoustic setting?
No, they weren't exaggerated in scale - a single vocalist or instrument was accurately life-sized, but the apparent stereo tableau surrounding it (reverbs, ambience, original room sound etc) was wider and especially taller than I get from the 4367s. Due to the height of the speaker, I assume, and the width - a standard L - R separation of, say, 7 or 8 feet measured inner edge to inner edge puts the acoustic centers 11 or 12 feet apart. In fact the phantom images were very precise, but with extra separation between them, due to the percentage increase in perceived stage size.
That’s a beastI have a question for you with the Jubilee- did they always sound massive? Like even when listening to a single vocalist in an acoustic setting? This is the one thing that kept me from immediately ordering a set and kept me open to Kii 3 BXT or Salon Ultima 2 (I easily preferred the former). Oh and waiting to see what @Bjorn was coming up with
Here is my thread on hearing the Jubilee: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...402-another-controlled-directivity-horn.1120/
I deleted my old Imgur account and switched from Android to Iphone so I will need to find the pictures I took. It was quite amusing, the owner had a very large husky dog and it looked like a newborn puppy when it lay between the speakers.
edit: never mind I rehosted them for an SBAF thread
That’s a monster speaker! Do folks actually use these giant speakers in the family room? I only convinced my wife to have my salons in the family room using risk of damage by kids if they were relegated to my basement rec room. My speakers look a bit out of place, however those Jubilee speakers would take up 1/2 of the room lol.I have a question for you with the Jubilee- did they always sound massive? Like even when listening to a single vocalist in an acoustic setting? This is the one thing that kept me from immediately ordering a set and kept me open to Kii 3 BXT or Salon Ultima 2 (I easily preferred the former). Oh and waiting to see what @Bjorn was coming up with
Here is my thread on hearing the Jubilee: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...402-another-controlled-directivity-horn.1120/
I deleted my old Imgur account and switched from Android to Iphone so I will need to find the pictures I took. It was quite amusing, the owner had a very large husky dog and it looked like a newborn puppy when it lay between the speakers.
edit: never mind I rehosted them for an SBAF thread
That’s a monster speaker! Do folks actually use these giant speakers in the family room? I only convinced my wife to have my salons in the family room using risk of damage by kids if they were relegated to my basement rec room. My speakers look a bit out of place, however those Jubilee speakers would take up 1/2 of the room lol.
Interesting. I don't mean anything by this, your initial report was "phenomenal", but you seem cooled off.@symphara Great question! Indeed I had a very positive impression of the A5, an excellent loudspeaker, they absolutely deserve the accolades. But, compared to others that have remained on my short list (that I have auditioned … Salon 2, Acora, Zellaton, Legacy, etc), they just did not provide the same level of performance (for MY ears). But again, a well engineered loudspeaker no doubt about it.
Not cooled off on the A5s, rather just heard some others later that I liked better, simple as that. Which to my ears did some things better than the A5s. And yes, the Acoras and Zellatons are more expensive, no doubt about it. My comments about “better” were independent of cost. Note I heard the Acoras and A5s at same dealer, same room.Interesting. I don't mean anything by this, your initial report was "phenomenal", but you seem cooled off.
The Acoras and Zellatons seem way beyond, price wise, compared to A series Magico.
I'm trying to get the courage to get back into searching new speakers. My daughter, who is little, managed a couple of years ago to get behind the front R - it's on spikes on a granite slab - and pushed it over. It made a dreadful sound, initially I thought the TV came off the wall.
Thankfully just the grill got (completely) destroyed, as the speaker fell on its face, and Triangle was kind to send us another pair of grills. With a polite warning to not ask for more, the speakers are 15 years old...
So anyway I thought I was out of the woods by now until a couple of weeks ago she almost managed it again, this time by falling on it - thankfully my son and I were there to catch it.
Now I would like to hear that A5 but I'm also in some doubts for its safety. Bolt it to the floor, I wonder?
https://www.provence-outillage.fr/data/images/barriere-protection-76x300cm-werkapro-r-10820.800.jpgSo anyway I thought I was out of the woods by now until a couple of weeks ago she almost managed it again, this time by falling on it - thankfully my son and I were there to catch it.
Now I would like to hear that A5 but I'm also in some doubts for its safety. Bolt it to the floor, I wonder?
Unless you have a concert-hall sized listening room, all rooms distort bass response, no matter how good the speaker design.my conclusion is that if a speaker requires EQ and room treatment to sound right, it is a flawed design to begin with. Thoughts?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...measurements-of-lyngdorf-roomperfect-eq.6799/Without correction, every system out there regardless of price of components, suffers from significant audible colorations and loss of detail and focus. No, you can't do the same with room treatment. Even the best treated room requires equalization.