Huh, I was unaware of this model. Mine were the original IIIs, four for quad of course.Nice to see objective marketing blurb:
Rectilinear Mini III Compact Loudspeaker System Manual | HiFi Engine
www.hifiengine.com
Huh, I was unaware of this model. Mine were the original IIIs, four for quad of course.Nice to see objective marketing blurb:
Rectilinear Mini III Compact Loudspeaker System Manual | HiFi Engine
www.hifiengine.com
You have to know my specific acoustic situation i can assure you that DSP did the for any speaker (i measurd) the job in my room. If you look to my frequency responseI like your set up, you must have great imaging. Speakers, any speakers, classic or modern, need space to do their thing. (Almost) any decent speaker can sound great when given space in the room and any speaker will sound average to bad when not placed properly, and no dsp can prevent that, it is the room and placement that make it work.
I agree with you, I do not know your specific room acoustic situation, also I agree that DSP can do a lot of good, my point was that optimum placement in a room comes first, which is what I thought you were trying placing your speakers the way you did, away from the boundaries, then improving with DSP, is always an option, if needed. As opposed to bad speaker placement, like a lot of the pictures in this thread and trying to correct mistakes mostly with DSP.You have to know my specific acoustic situation
The Vandies are. a pain to place correctly. However DSP in my specific room made the sound atleast 70% better in any aspect. After 60 years the best investment i did in audio Gear was buying a measuring mic for Just 38,- euro's an using DSP more specific Mathaudio room EQ. It became different speakers.I agree with you, I do not know your specific room acoustic situation, also I agree that DSP can do a lot of good, my point was that optimum placement in a room comes first, which is what I thought you were trying placing your speakers the way you did, away from the boundaries, then improving with DSP, is always an option, if needed. As opposed to bad speaker placement, like a lot of the pictures in this thread and trying to correct mistakes mostly with DSP.
Amen to that brother! , aren't they all?The Vandies are. a pain to place correctly
IMO no the Vandies compared with other speakers were quite extreme regarding placement i almost ditch them.Amen to that brother! , aren't they all?.
The reason the Vandy's are so sensitive is with a 1st order crossover, they have considerable off-axis lobing. They can sound very good, but it takes some patience and some rooms just won't work with them. I always thought Vandersteen and Thiel were opposites of the same speakers. Time alignment, 1st order crossover only Thiels sounded on the bright side of neutral and Vandersteens on the dark side.IMO no the Vandies compared with other speakers were quite extreme regarding placement i almost ditch them.
But when they are in the correct spot an corrected with DSP they sound spectaculair esspesialy how they handl imaging.
What i find strange is that DSP should corrected the other speakers for phase coherent/time aligent behaviour. Compared with the Vandies that was cleary less the case. If i place the Vandies let say 10cm back the imaging magic is mostly gone that sensetive. But that is my subjective impression specific for my room (acoustics)
Yes i think i'm lucky that i found the correct spot took me some days an that i eventualy did read the f..ng manual regarding the neccecary angel in my case 2 degrees an toe in or out. But when you get them right incombination with DSP (in my case) they could sound spectacular.The reason the Vandy's are so sensitive is with a 1st order crossover, they have considerable off-axis lobing. They can sound very good, but it takes some patience and some rooms just won't work with them. I always thought Vandersteen and Thiel were opposites of the same speakers. Time alignment, 1st order crossover only Thiels sounded on the bright side of neutral and Vandersteens on the dark side.
One of the few times a manual is useful and even illuminating, and you didn't read it???/Yes i think i'm lucky that i found the correct spot took me some days an that i eventualy did read the f..ng manual regarding the neccecary angel in my case 2 degrees an toe in or out. But when you get them right incombination with DSP (in my case) they could sound spectacular.
My bold - So good to read that I'm not the only one who seeks divine intervention at timesYes i think i'm lucky that i found the correct spot took me some days an that i eventualy did read the f..ng manual regarding the neccecary angel in my case 2 degrees an toe in or out. But when you get them right incombination with DSP (in my case) they could sound spectacular.
Coupled cavity loading. They are very good speakers, well worth checking out.I've always wanted to check out these Kef 104/2s. They're not quite classic but I'd say vintage.
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They're a different design with bass drivers connected to each other by a rod internally. I forget what the design is called tho...
Is that the same as isobaric?Coupled cavity loading.
One of the few times a manual is useful and even illuminating, and you didn't read it???/
I'm laughing with you not at you.
No, isobaric has two drivers in two connected boxes such that the pressure between the driver cones stays constant as both cones move forward and back together, so the volume between them stays constant.Is that the same as isobaric?
Ah, yes, thanks! Bandpass configurations like that seem very popular in car subwoofers.Coupled cavity has two sealed units where each driver cone works into a third cavity and this cavity is open to the room. It is a bandpass system with quite steep cutoffs each side.
Thank you for sharing the video. Great comments about Keith Jarrett, I have to find the Sun Bear ECM recording.But if i see how Paul places his Vandies just behind the wall i'm a bit puzzeld how he get any imaging done. Clearly he is not using the manual. Says probaly something about the manual
I was kidding about the manual it definitly put me on the right track. DSP whas by far the biggist change. Second placing the speakers far from the back wallThank you for sharing the video. Great comments about Keith Jarrett, I have to find the Sun Bear ECM recording.
To his defense most, if not all, manual get it wrong.
That's what it is! Thanks. I wanted to say isobaric too, but I knew that wasn't quite right.Coupled cavity loading. They are very good speakers, well worth checking out.