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Wilson Audio TuneTot Review (high-end bookshelf speaker)

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ROOSKIE

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I can only imagine the type of person who buys this sort of thing is outfitting a Manhattan loft or something and has his assistant shop for the "best" of everything.

The entertainment area gets a big pair of Wilsons. The bedroom, study, and master bath each get a pair of these, and the salesman gets to put his kid through college.
This! (or help us!)

Don't forget that the fools who buy this stuff do help most of us out in the trickle down... Right?
Help me put my kids though college by having me sell you expensive stuff and spend my days wishing I could hang with my kids instead of working the sales floor like a ....

Oh well, truth is some folks just need to spend a lot of money to feel good. Just be glad that ain't us/you/me.
 

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I think the Wilson industrial design is actually very nice and well differentiated. Everyone says the paint quality is top class, which to me is far more appealing than the lame veneer work other high end speakers offer.

The angular cabinets and heavy duty hardware ooze quality, even the graphic design is cool. The Chronosonics are ugly to me, but the rest of the lineup has a really distinctive appearance. I respect designers who take chances and Wilson definitely did that when they came up with the form language for their speakers, which they have carried very consistently.
 

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This is a review and detailed measurements of the Wilson Audio TuneTot stand-mount/bookshelf speaker. It is on kind loan from a member and costs around US $10,000 (varies due to color).
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I am not a fan of the way the front looks without the grill. The sides though sport probably the best finish I have seen on a speaker with deep gloss and polish. Speaker is also incredibly heavy and stiff for its size (29 pounds or 13 Kg). Drivers are custom versions of Scan-speak Revelator.

There is a down title rectangular port in the back:
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I put in the very well designed dense foam plug that fits the port exceptionally well. In testing it really plugged the port unlike foam ones which half of the time feel like they are not doing anything.

Measurements that you are about to see were performed using the Klippel Near-field Scanner (NFS). This is a robotic measurement system that analyzes the speaker all around and is able (using advanced mathematics and dual scan) to subtract room reflections (so where I measure it doesn't matter). It also measures the speaker at close distance ("near-field") which sharply reduces the impact of room noise. Both of these factors enable testing in ordinary rooms yet results that can be more accurate than an anechoic chamber. In a nutshell, the measurements show the actual sound coming out of the speaker independent of the room.

Measurements are compliant with latest speaker research into what can predict the speaker preference and is standardized in CEA/CTA-2034 ANSI specifications. Likewise listening tests are performed per research that shows mono listening is much more revealing of differences between speakers than stereo or multichannel.

Reference axis was the center of the tweeter (aligned by eye). The grill was not used. It is getting colder with the measurement room temp at 14 degrees C. Accuracy is better than 1% for almost entire audio spectrum indicating a well designed speaker.

Wilson Audio TuneTot Measurements
Acoustic measurements can be grouped in a way that can be perceptually analyzed to determine how good a speaker is and how it can be used in a room. This so called spinorama shows us just about everything we need to know about the speaker with respect to tonality and some flaws:

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On-axis response clearly doesn't look even. There is a massive peak around 115 Hz then real messiness around or near the crossover region. Directivity is lost around 3 kHz as well. Exploring the impact of the port, we see why that peak is there in bass:

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Very strange to see the port tuned to boost the response at such a high frequency rather than extending it lower.

Oddly again, the sum of the early reflections is better behaved than on-axis:

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This causes the predicted in-room response to be much smoother than you would expect from looking at our original spin graph:

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As we could already guess, beamwidth is not uniform indicating room dependency:

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Radiation pattern is wider than usual though which should give a more spacious impression than a point source around the speaker:

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Vertically you lose some margin due to slanted baffle so best to not go above tweeter axis:

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Distortion is kept very low at 86 dBSPL but I could hear a resonance during 96 dPSPL:

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To rule out the Klippel stand from contributing to this, I literally held the speaker above it as the sweep ran and I could hear the resonance at a specific frequency. Strangely the frequency response drops there so the resonance must be out of phase. Here is the near-field response:

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I only see minor variations of the woofer response so hard to say if the above is really the problem. I did like the fact that the port/cabinet resonances are kept low. Woofer response does step up some though and is reflected in the frequency response (between 700 Hz and 1 kHz). Is this due to too little baffle compensation?

Impedance is above average which should make it easier on the amplifier:
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There is a sign of that resonance at 2.6 kHz that we saw in the distortion measurements.

Waterfall response shows a number of resonances corresponding with peaks in response:

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For fans of timing analysis, here are the impulse and step response (yes, phase is inverted -- I need to fix this):

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Wilson TuneTot Listening Tests and Equalization
Listening test system was a custom, silent Roon Server/Player ($2,000) connected to Matrix X-Sabre MQA DAC ($2,000), and Mark Levinson Reference Amplifier ($20,000, 400 watts/channel) playing custom tracks developed for testing headphones and speakers.

I started playing with the port open. With my female vocal tracks, the extra bass was not all that bad and compensated partially the slight brightness of the speaker. But when I played content with much bass content, it became overwhelming. I plugged the port but then there was not much bass to satisfy. So I removed the plug and deployed a few filters:

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The first dip should be self-explanatory to remove the extra bass boost. Doing this from anechoic measurements is tricky though as in-room response likely looks very different. So I adjusted this by ear and admittedly on some tracks I wanted slightly more of it. With this filter in place the bass was now tighter and overall sound of the speaker more open. Per above though, there was some brightness that gave me hell to deal with. Likely due to bad directivity and mismatch of on and off-axis, using an electronic filter that impacts both is very challenging.

I eventually gave up on optimizing using on-axis response and roughly used the Predicted In-Room Response (by eye) to develop the two other mild filters. I performed a number of blind tests and overall I preferred the equalized response. There is a caveat that you need to know what good and clean bass is and the overall proper tonality. Otherwise, the "showroom sound" aspect of this speaker can be seductive making you want to listen to boosted bass and slightly elevated highs.

For comparison, I switched back and forth a dozen times with Revel M106 speaker ($2,000). The Revel had a smaller halo and sounded more focused than the TuneTot. It had none of the brilliance of the Tunetot but his was a dual edged sword in that the TuneTot constantly gave the impression of a more detailed, and "audiophile" high frequency notes that were very nicely delineated. TuneTot also had deeper and cleaner bass response than the M106. Overall, I preferred the TuneTot over Revel.

I briefly compared the TuneTot to my Revel Salon 2 ($23,000). Revel did not have the exaggerated spatial qualities of the high frequencies that TuneTot had but overall presented a much more balanced tonality and of course, much more bass impact. Its midrange was so smooth and nice. Still, I was amazed how the TuneTot did not sound small compared to it whereas the M106 did.

Sub-bass response on TuneTot was better than I expect from a small speaker. Push it though and the woofer starts to make bad sounds as they all do in this size factor and playback levels.

Conclusions
There is no question that there are some clear objective/engineering errors in the design of Wilson TuneTot. The port is tuned too high and the on-axis/directivity response is poor. What is strange though that the impact of these on the fidelity of the speaker is not at all this obvious. Either I am influenced by the showroom sound as much as the next guy or getting off-axis to be right in my rather reflective room overcomes issues in on-axis response. It is also possible that all the money that has gone to building such an extremely dense speaker and keeping distortion low is paying benefit here. One wonders how much better these would sound if they had had preserved all of this and at the same time didn't have the design errors.

If I were to just goy by the measurements, the Tunetot would not get good marks. But I have promised you all that I won't lie about what I hear no matter how much of a conflict this provides. To that end, I am going to recommend the Wilson TuneTot with equalization (cost not considered).
If $10,000 is your budget, D&D 8C and don't look back.
 

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If $10,000 is your budget, D&D 8C and don't look back.
They certainly look a lot better aesthetically imo. The Dutch n Dutch look better than Kii 3 to me too.
 
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I think the Wilson industrial design is actually very nice and well differentiated. Everyone says the paint quality is top class, which to me is far more appealing than the lame veneer work other high end speakers offer.

The angular cabinets and heavy duty hardware ooze quality, even the graphic design is cool. The Chronosonics are ugly to me, but the rest of the lineup has a really distinctive appearance. I respect designers who take chances and Wilson definitely did that when they came up with the form language for their speakers, which they have carried very consistently.
I have seen them in person.
Not this one but some of the higher end models.
They deff look nice, without question.
 
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I don't understand such amazement, I have never seen satisfactory measurements from this manufacturer.

Oops it's lhe host review:)
 

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Yeah, but Wilson has kind of short-circuited that strategy with the name, don't you think? Imagine a visitor to a rich guy's living room:

"Wow, those are cool speakers!"
"Thanks - they're Wilsons."
"Cool ... what model?"
"Tune Tots."
"Oh."
So you won't be ordering the new Rolls Royce Silver Tarnish, then...
 

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Why this review have '' cost no object '' ?
People think that we put down whatever is expensive because we can't afford it. For that reason, I usually don't take cost into consideration especially when it is a luxury product.
 
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do you plan to review it?
One of these days. It weighs over 100 pounds so not easy to move around. Fortunately it is on the same floor as the measurement equipment so no stairs to deal with.
 
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On questions about the bass relative to Revel, I measure that subjectively on two dimensions. Extension and available power delivery/dynamic range. The Revel M106 woofer has much less excursion ability than the much beefier one in Wilson. As a result, I was able to get good tactile feedback with TuneTot than I could with M106.
 

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On questions about the bass relative to Revel, I measure that subjectively on two dimensions. Extension and available power delivery/dynamic range. The Revel M106 woofer has much less excursion ability than the much beefier one in Wilson. As a result, I was able to get good tactile feedback with TuneTot than I could with M106.
Would you say the Genelec 8050 ia better than Tunetot? Thanks
 

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$10k does suck. These are art though and like it or not art is priced in its own way.

I watched one of my friends go from having maybe $40k in total assests counting everything including the food in the fridge to having dozens of millions in just a year or so.
He could buy a thousand pairs and still have 20+ million left over.
He isn't even remotely as rich as some cats out there.

He'd never buy these though. Never.
Pretty sure he would want very solid evidence of performance before buying. Love to see him buy some Salons or some M2's. Maybe some big as$ Perlisten's.

Damn his ship came in fast and heavy. If mine ever does I am buying a round of speakers for the sickest ASR DBT festival and meet-up with airfare and hotels for hundreds of us.

Anyway.
 
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