To be fair, they're actually an example of NOT competing in the loudness business for the most part up until No Code in 1996. Since then, their vinyl releases are the only ones with avg dynamic range in the 10+ range. Especially sad since they're pretty well recorded outside of that.your name gives it away... mind you, much as I like(d) PearlJam back in the day... they defiantly came of age during the loudness era..
One reason I love vinyl.To be fair, they're actually an example of NOT competing in the loudness business for the most part up until No Code in 1996. Since then, their vinyl releases are the only ones with avg dynamic range in the 10+ range. Especially sad since they're pretty well recorded outside of that.
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I'm not a MJ fan, but really enjoyed that article.
the dynamic range vs. SINAD tradeoffOne reason I love vinyl.
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All the equipment was analog, which contributes much to how natural it sounds. I have yet to hear a digital recording that comes close to imbuing the inner warmth and natural timbre as found in old analog recordings. It's just a distinct characteristic that digital can't touch.Who do Michae Jackson albums recorded years if not decades ago sound better than anything released in recent years? Especially since the tech advanced so much in recent years.
His albums sound so good if not the best.
And what would cause digital to be broken, even if the analog waveform can be reproduced 1:1 after being captured in files?All the equipment was analog, which contributes much to how natural it sounds. I have yet to hear a digital recording that comes close to imbuing the inner warmth and natural timbre as found in old analog recordings. It's just a distinct characteristic that digital can't touch.
Im from Israel so Skazi is local but never heard his stuffMj sounds like dog balls (joke) compared to todays best stuff....you just have to find them....try skazi - power of god, genesis - shakti or hoff ensemble - polarity for example........then put Mj back...
The audio signal from digital is a complete mess. Put a scope on the DAC output before the reconstruction filters and it looks like absolute shit. You need a superb amount of filtering to make it sound normal, but the more parts you add, the more shit it sounds. A turntable has 2k less parts than some of the DACs out there.And what would cause digital to be broken, even if the analog waveform can be reproduced 1:1 after being captured in files?
I respect your opinion here, but it's unfounded to say that digital has some innate characteristics of sound.
Who do Michae Jackson albums recorded years if not decades ago sound better than anything released in recent years? Especially since the tech advanced so much in recent years.
His albums sound so good if not the best.
Look, you are absolutely in the dark and it's strange that you can't see that. You are dead wrong about the DAC process and I'm really the wrong person to straighten out the knowledge gap in here. Since the wave is the same, the signal will be the same and actually it's up to you to prove that reconstructed analogue signal sounds different, especially subjected to null tests.The audio signal from digital is a complete mess. Put a scope on the DAC output before the reconstruction filters and it looks like absolute shit. You need a superb amount of filtering to make it sound normal, but the more parts you add, the more shit it sounds. A turntable has 2k less parts than some of the DACs out there.
I mean look, digital can sound really awesome and cool but it ain't the same as analog. With analog there's a very short signal path and the less you have between you and the music, the less shit can go wrong aka degrade the signal. High performing analog gear has zero demodulation and more. But this site is rather hostile to analog formats, so I'll end it here.
You need a superb amount of filtering to make it sound normal, but the more parts you add, the more shit it sounds. A turntable has 2k less parts than some of the DACs out there.
true, 16bit/44HzProbably the best sounding album ever.View attachment 98588
Ken Andrews has some of the biggest-sounding rock mixes around. Very musical.But if you want a really well engineered album that was made recently, go hear Army Of Anyone's 2006 debut and only album. Produced by Bob Ezrin (of Floyd's The Wall fame) and mixed by Ken Andrews. I don't know who engineered the album (don't have the liner notes handy), but for a modern recording I was impressed by how much of the nuances and spacious atmosphere that gives it this dense sound, while none of the band overpowers one another and it sounds loud without being brickwalled to shit. For post-iPod era slammed pop music, just makes it all the more impressive.
Just a note of warning, my friend Ian says you can't compare the DR readings (TT meter anyway) of vinyl to CD...To be fair, they're actually an example of NOT competing in the loudness business for the most part up until No Code in 1996. Since then, their vinyl releases are the only ones with avg dynamic range in the 10+ range. Especially sad since they're pretty well recorded outside of that.
I think you are confusing formats with production processes. I have some 1950s recordings which sound much more natural than most stuff produced today, analog or digital. It is a matter of subjective preference ultimately but I think the main reason for the difference is that the recordings were more natural with very little, if any, processing. So in a sense, you are confusing digital with later trends in production. To prove that point, take any analog recording, digitise it and play it back on a CD (ie 16/44) and providing it is done properly I doubt you would hear any difference (blind, level matched etc) when played back on the same source equipment. I know, I've done it many times.All the equipment was analog, which contributes much to how natural it sounds. I have yet to hear a digital recording that comes close to imbuing the inner warmth and natural timbre as found in old analog recordings. It's just a distinct characteristic that digital can't touch.
That doesn't mean I don't like digital recordings, that's the bulk of my listening these days.
But if you want a really well engineered album that was made recently, go hear Army Of Anyone's 2006 debut and only album. Produced by Bob Ezrin (of Floyd's The Wall fame) and mixed by Ken Andrews. I don't know who engineered the album (don't have the liner notes handy), but for a modern recording I was impressed by how much of the nuances and spacious atmosphere that gives it this dense sound, while none of the band overpowers one another and it sounds loud without being brickwalled to shit. For post-iPod era slammed pop music, just makes it all the more impressive.
Dua Lipa's Future Nostalgia is another one that is pretty decent too. It's no Thriller in its engineering, but it doesn't sound like overcompressed whiny punk rock of the early 00s. The real attention grabber is the genius songcraft and hooks for days.
Just a note of warning, my friend Ian says you can't compare the DR readings (TT meter anyway) of vinyl to CD...
Why you can’t measure vinyl with the TT Meter