To who?Better sound quality
To who?Better sound quality
That won't float. How would one weigh bass extension vs. midrange/treble clarity? Would such weighting be the same for all listeners? How about other sonic parameters? In other words, better is different for different listeners.Better sound quality
Sorry for late reply! I guess I used to listen music with speakers like JBL L50, JBL 4349, or more recently JBL 4435! (You should check this out) I know L50s got a colored sound so I’ll pass that but you need to hear 4435. Never heard an effortless and subtle bass like this before. (In a loudspeaker/floorstander) Since than I’m even looking to change my 8 inch dual subs to 12-15s.Errr, because people have been very happily using speakers that way for decades? It's the concept of using a subwoofer with floorstanding (or even standmount) speakers domestically that it comparitively recent. Modern DSP for integration also makes the proposition much more viable than it used to be.
But in a lot of cases, its just more bass extension because the speaker have bigger cabinet, its just more bass with less distortion..?That won't float. How would one weigh bass extension vs. midrange/treble clarity? Would such weighting be the same for all listeners? How about other sonic parameters? In other words, better is different for different listeners.
It's not just marketing. Ported speakers usually sound better because they produce more bass. People like bass.So many bookshelf speakers are ported, which just produces huge phase shifts that make good subwoofer integration all but impossible without DSP to fix the phase error.
Also, Amir reviews a ton of these, and they all have port resonances mucking up the sound around 1kHz. Why???
The answer, of course, is marketing: sealed-box bookshelves will sound very anemic without a properly integrated sub.
Where were they placed? If I put an object in the corner my bass measures differently. It could be a chair, an ottoman, or...a subwoofer that's not on. The object is displacing the sound pressure that would normally congeal there.One more thing, I'm not sure I mentioned in a previous thread about this: The subwoofers SEEMED to negatively affect the sound of my home theater system, even though they were not in use! I can't be sure, but what happened was:
I have my 2 channel speakers in the same room as my projection-based home theater. The home theater system is a 5.0 system, big center channel, good size stand mounts, which flank the screen. At some points I had both JL subs sitting where I could place them along the floor under the screen, so behind my 2 channel towers, but in between the L/C/R home theater speakers. I also at times had one sub behind my sofa.
Anyway, I often listened to music on my home theater system too. Right after I'd put the subs in my room (powered off) and I played music on my home theater speakers, the bass seemed all bloated. I was confused, because playback in the room had always been tight and clean. Then movie playback, whenever there was significant bass in a scene, it was overblown and bloated too. Like really obnoxious.
It was so puzzling because I hadn't changed any settings or anything. The ONLY thing that changed was placing the subwoofers in the room.
For the entire time I had those subwoofers in the room (a long time) bass was more bloated from the home theater system.
Of course my system was a bit unusual since the subwoofers in the room were not in use (hence woofers not controlled by their amp or a signal) while the home theater system was playing.
When I mentioned this on the AVSforum some of the subwoofer-heads there said it was quite possible the woofers in the subs were resonating sympathetically with low bass, adding to the sound hence the bass bloat.
I don't know if that was happening, but once the subs were gone from the room (when I sold them not long ago)...sound from the home theater no longer seems to have that bass problem. All sounds more even.
That's what the subwoofer is for! I was talking specifically about speakers intended to be used with a sub.It's not just marketing. Ported speakers almost always sound better because they actually produce bass. People like bass.
In order to properly experience bass it must be corrected for the room. Usually that means at least 2 subs with proper placement, delays and EQ applied. You can get lucky with 1, but it's rare.I have previously run a powered sub with these speakers, I never got it to sound better than these speakers do alone, when listening to music. Granted, I've never had the desire to listen to symphonic music at high enough volume to potentially notice missing the rumbling sub-bass that one occasionally experiences at a live performance, but I do listen to a fairly broad range of music, often at high volumes in excess of 90dB.
Gotcha.That's what the subwoofer is for! I was talking specifically about speakers intended to be used with a sub.
So the KH310 has no bass because it's a sealed design?It's not just marketing. Ported speakers almost always sound better because they actually produce bass. People like bass.
That's a rather powerful 8.25" speaker so I'm sure it does produce some bass. But it would do more if ported.So the KH310 has no bass because it's a sealed design?
Money is not a problemYou’ve missed my point completely.
I could easily afford subs, or a decent surround system, and even an LP collection. My problem is the cost of housing, alongside other personal constraints.
Then why sealed designs even exist if they are worst than ported and produce less bass?...is that what I said?
That's a rather powerful 8.25" speaker so I'm sure it does produce some bass. But it would do more if ported.
Do you know if the drivers of subs were shorted when you tried that?When I mentioned this on the AVSforum some of the subwoofer-heads there said it was quite possible the woofers in the subs were resonating sympathetically with low bass, adding to the sound hence the bass bloat.
Could it be because nowadays with the help of modern computer software it is easier to design ported speakers? In the past, people often (what I remember) talked about sealed being "nice hi-fi" and ported speakers was more for young people who wanted to pound a lot of bass but cared less about the actual sound quality.What sealed speakers have you tried? I can find almost none on the market these days.
Where were they placed? If I put an object in the corner my bass measures differently. It could be a chair, an ottoman, or...a subwoofer that's not on. The object is displacing the sound pressure that would normally congeal there.
I'm not the designer, but if I had to guess; that is a near-field monitor and they didn't want to risk audible port noise due to its proximity.Then why sealed designs even exist if they are worst than ported and produce less bass?