Wharfedale Super Denton

[TheBatsEar]

Plus, im reading theres a harshness to the treble on the 85's which with my Amp, can not EQ tinker.

I highly recommend you buy a UMIK1 or something to measure it yourself, that way you don't have to trust anyones subjective opinions.

Well, considering the price of the Super new, and the price of the Linton used, i think i would go for the Lintons. Got mine for 650€ the pair with stands. 800€ with stands is still very fair and there are several offers in my area.

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[Musicofchance]

I highly recommend you buy a UMIK1 or something to measure it yourself, that way you don't have to trust anyones subjective opinions.

Well, considering the price of the Super new, and the price of the Linton used, i think i would go for the Lintons. Got mine for 650€ the pair with stands. 800€ with stands is still very fair and there are several offers in my area.

Check out hifishark.com.

Yes i was thinking for an extra £200.

Thats a ridiclously low price you got them for. Cant see anything like that here in UK.

 

[tsfreo]

considering the price of the Super new, and the price of the Linton used, i think i would go for the Lintons.

As I've said in other posts, if you have the room for them I think I'd agree with this. Go for the Lintons. Though I really like my Supers too and in the kind of space they are intended for they are great (I have both Lintons and Super Dentons in my home).

 

[tsfreo]

I was considering the Denton 85's but was hoping Erin or the like would do a measured review. I think ill put some more cash aside for the Supers. Just seems to make more sense.
Plus, im reading theres a harshness to the treble on the 85's which with my Amp, can not EQ tinker.

I would certainly choose Super Denton over the 85s. But there is a corresponding price difference in most markets too. At least in Australia Wharfedale discounts products pretty regularly, including the Supers, so that's when I would pull the trigger.

 

[Musicofchance]

Cool, i hope you'll entertain us with a few pics once you have them.

I too took the plunge. Walnut

 

[Musicofchance]

Thought id add that theres a £75 off coupon on a well known buying sellung site in the UK. Its until tomorrow night. I very much doubt youl get a better opportunity. Cheers

 

[AC1]

I was considering the Denton 85's but was hoping Erin or the like would do a measured review. I think ill put some more cash aside for the Supers. Just seems to make more sense.
Plus, im reading theres a harshness to the treble on the 85's which with my Amp, can not EQ tinker.

Yes, the treble of the Denton 85 is elevated (the detail, the detail! ) but it can be tamed by exchanging the positive speaker bridge with a 2 Ohm 10W resistor. Someone at facebook bought the Super Dentons but he prefers his Denton 85 (with the resistor tweak) because according to him the Supers sounded too soft and muffled at lower listening levels.

 

[Musicofchance]

Yes, the treble of the Denton 85 is elevated (the detail, the detail! ) but it can be tamed by exchanging the positive speaker bridge with a 2 Ohm 10W resistor. Someone at facebook bought the Super Dentons but he prefers his Denton 85 (with the resistor tweak) because according to him the Supers sounded too soft and muffled at lower listening levels.

I generally only listen to loud music levels anyway so i think theyl suit me. Just in theyre box on the living room floor atm (Super Denton).
The idea for the tweak is looking unlikely now as the deal with the misses was to part with all other speakers. Shame as id only recently bought some nice jumpers from WBC's.

 

[tsfreo]

Yes, the treble of the Denton 85 is elevated (the detail, the detail! ) but it can be tamed by exchanging the positive speaker bridge with a 2 Ohm 10W resistor. Someone at facebook bought the Super Dentons but he prefers his Denton 85 (with the resistor tweak) because according to him the Supers sounded too soft and muffled at lower listening levels.

I think AC1 has nailed a couple of the key subjective things with speakers here. Some will find the treble in one pair to be harsh, others find the same speakers to be just right. Might be their preference, might be their room, might be a lot of things - but that is the subjective joy of this business. I didn't prefer the Denton 85s and I had seen the discussions about the resistor tweak, but that kind of tweaking is not something I am going to do. Others love that kind of playing around - right up to building their own speakers entirely.
In my space I find the Supers to be great. So much so that occasionally I realise I am getting distracted from whatever I am doing at the time because I like what I am hearing so much and I have to pull my focus back. But I think that is a good thing.
To each his own.

 

[audioenthousiast1988]

I too took the plunge. Walnut

i also am on the verge of clicking the purchase button. did you test them already ?

 

[Musicofchance]

i also am on the verge of clicking the purchase button. did you test them already ?

Yes i did, although only an hour. Cant give a full account yet but i didnt want to turn the CDT off. The look of them kicks all my other speakers out the park that i have/had.
HOpefully ill have some better time with them tomorrow. Ill keep you posted.

I noticed in a thread you mentioned they were $1000. If thats the case i wouldnt hesitate.

 

[audioenthousiast1988]

Yes i did, although only an hour. Cant give a full account yet but i didnt want to turn the CDT off. The look of them kicks all my other speakers out the park that i have/had.
HOpefully ill have some better time with them tomorrow. Ill keep you posted.

I noticed in a thread you mentioned they were $1000. If thats the case i wouldnt hesitate.

Ok thanks that would be great!
Acultually i can get them for 800 euro new but its not about the money, they have to be good enough/ sound great

 

[Musicofchance]

Ok thanks that would be great!
Acultually i can get them for 800 euro new but its not about the money, they have to be good enough/ sound great

My set up might not have the same synergy as yours. My Audiolab 6000A has been praised as a good match with these particular speakers by Tarun (A British Audiophile) who i regard in this industry as "knowing his trade".

Id watch his video (its 14.29 mins long) as he tries various amps but isnt fully happy until he uses the Iotavx SA3 which like the 6000A is a cooler sounding amp. If yours is not overly warm or bright sounding you maybe in a good position to buy.

Hope this helps

 

[AC1]

I think AC1 has nailed a couple of the key subjective things with speakers here. Some will find the treble in one pair to be harsh, others find the same speakers to be just right. Might be their preference, might be their room, might be a lot of things - but that is the subjective joy of this business. I didn't prefer the Denton 85s and I had seen the discussions about the resistor tweak, but that kind of tweaking is not something I am going to do. Others love that kind of playing around - right up to building their own speakers entirely.
In my space I find the Supers to be great. So much so that occasionally I realise I am getting distracted from whatever I am doing at the time because I like what I am hearing so much and I have to pull my focus back. But I think that is a good thing.
To each his own.

The good thing with the resistor tweak is that you can adjust the treble to your liking. Executing the tweak is as easy as connecting a jumper and has nothing to do with the complexity of building your own speakers.

This is a 1 Ohm resistor but 2 Ohm provides an even better balance.

 

[audioenthousiast1988]

I dont think you should go to all these hoops to make a speaker sound enjoyable. Same as EQing. Im a believer that when you stary eqing you change the character of the speaker. I will wait untill there is more info known about the super dentons but from the reviews online right now they dont seem to be all the amazing..

 

[AC1]

I understand but the tweak is interesting for those who already own the Denton 85. Also, while I agree with you about EQ or tone controls, there's a big differenc between EQ-ing and the resistor tweak. EQ is a filter that cuts off (destroys) frequencies and their harmonics while a resistor only lowers the output. It nicely solved my problem with the boosted treble of the Denton 85 and the fix was like child's play and cheaper than dirt.

 

[audioenthousiast1988]

I agree with the things youve said

 

[NTK]

I understand but the tweak is interesting for those who already own the Denton 85. Also, while I agree with you about EQ or tone controls, there's a big differenc between EQ-ing and the resistor tweak. EQ is a filter that cuts off (destroys) frequencies and their harmonics while a resistor only lowers the output. It nicely solved my problem with the boosted treble of the Denton 85 and the fix was like child's play and cheaper than dirt.

There is some major misunderstanding here.

EQ does not destroy frequency or harmonics when applied correctly. Adding a resistor in series to the MF/HF connection is equivalent to increasing the output impedance of the amplifier (for MF/HF). Because the impedance of the speaker varies with frequency, you are in effect applying EQ (not just padding down the level) — with an EQ curve unknown to you unless you have measured the Denton's impedance curve and calculated the amount of attenuation with frequency. See this thread for more details:

Amplifier Output Impedance (Damping Factor) and Speakers

This is a reprint of an article written ca. 2011-2012. I've been meaning to rewrite and update it, but Life and Work keeps getting in the way, so I am reposting the original as-is. Take it for what it's worth, an introductory take on one of the potential causes for differences in sound among...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[tsfreo]

I dont think you should go to all these hoops to make a speaker sound enjoyable. Same as EQing. Im a believer that when you stary eqing you change the character of the speaker. I will wait untill there is more info known about the super dentons but from the reviews online right now they dont seem to be all the amazing..

I'm not sure if 'amazing' should be the standard at their price point, but in any event have you looked at Erin's detailed review and data?

Wharfedale Super Denton Bookshelf Speaker Review

Wharfedale Super Denton Bookshelf Speaker

www.erinsaudiocorner.com

Just to pull a section from his conclusion (and picking up on something I also found in my own experience about a smaller speaker for a smaller room):
"I’ll cut to the chase here: in many ways these are like a smaller Linton. The Linton is one of my all-time favorite speakers and retails typically for about $1500-1700/pair while these little guys cost about $1400/pair. If you’re wondering which I prefer, it’s the Linton. But if you don’t want such a large speaker then I like this one as well."

Although as I have said before, to each his own.

 

[Bernard23]

I have taken the plunge. Probably not 'super' needed (ha) but I was just too curious about how I would find them. I like my Lintons so very much and would enjoy a similar sound in my much smaller study. One never really knows until they are in your own room.
I will find a use for my DBR62s elsewhere. They are too good to sell or give away.

I realise you don't have any measurement data, but what do you prefer about the super dentins over the dbr62? I've got the latter plus sub, sounds great but I've got a large room and thinking of getting larger speakers and being less reliant on a sub.
I've got an acoustically challenging room and so use the Wiim room correction feature which works pretty well.