VB Matrix

[boxerfan88]

@dualazmak what sample rate are you running your Matrix at?

I am running mine at 176400.

 

[dualazmak]

@dualazmak what sample rate are you running your Matrix at?

I am running mine at 176400.

Even though I successfully tested/evaluated 176.4 kHz and 192 kHz, I mainly use VB Matrix and DSP EKIO as well as JRiver MC (and VB VAIO as Windows WDM default device, if needed) at 88.2 kHz or 96 kHz.

At least for my personal rationales/justifications, please refer to my post here #532 on my project thread.
- Summary of rationales for "on-the-fly (real-time)" conversion of all music tracks (including 1 bit DSD tracks) into 88.2 kHz or 96 kHz PCM format for DSP (XO/EQ) processing: #532


BTW, my latest post #851 on my project thread responding to inquiries from @etc6849 would be also your interest and reference relating to VB Matrix, I assume.

 

[boxerfan88]

I run the VBMatrix core at 176400 sps, and drive the DACs at the same rate. Recently I started to switch off the SMSL DAC every night, and when I power on the DAC the next day, it defaults to 44100 sps. I found a small little niggle, VBMatrix will operate the DAC at the default 44100 sps (which is not what I want). There is no way to configure VBMatrix to "force" or initialize the DAC to a preferred sample rate before the VBMatrix routing engine starts.

As a workaround, I have to "force" the DAC to my preferred sample rate, before I start up VBMatrix app. Here's a Python script that I cooked up to initialize my DACs before starting up VBMatrix. Some may find this useful...

import sys, os, argparse, acoustics
import numpy as np
import sounddevice as sd   # {sounddevice} is different from {soundcard} library

# Updated 2023-11-28
# Created by boxerfan88
#
# This tool sets sample rate of SMSL DAC & Soekris DAC
# Takes in sample rate as argument
# Generates pink noise @ sample rate for 3 secs
# then plays it to SMSL DAC and Soekris DAC.
#

parser = argparse.ArgumentParser(add_help=False)
parser.add_argument("-s", "--samplerate", required=True, type=int, help="sample rate")
args = parser.parse_args()

# set sample rate (defaults to 176400)
srt = {44100,48000,88200,96000,176400,192000,352800,384000}
mysamplerate = 176400
if args.samplerate:
    if args.samplerate in srt:
        mysamplerate = args.samplerate
        print('Sample rate set to: ',mysamplerate)
    else:
        print('Invalid sample rate: ',args.samplerate)
else:
    print('No sample rate provided.')

print('Final sample rate: ',mysamplerate,'\n')

# generate pink noise (3secs)
left = acoustics.generator.pink(mysamplerate*3,None)
# scale it by -80dB
left = left * 0.0001
# copy pink noise from left to right channel
right = left
# generate stereo data
stereo_data = np.array([left,right]).T

# Playback to SMSL DAC

print('Playing pink noise at',mysamplerate,'sps to SMSL...')
wasapi_exclusive = sd.WasapiSettings(exclusive=True)
# play stereo data to SMSL device (subwoofer)
try:
    sd.play(stereo_data,samplerate=mysamplerate,blocking=True,device='SMSL DO100 (SMSL USB DAC), Windows WASAPI',extra_settings=wasapi_exclusive)
except:
    print('Encountered problem playing data to SMSL.')
print('Finish playing...','\n')

# Playback to Soekris DAC

print('Playing pink noise at',mysamplerate,'sps to Soekris...')
wasapi_exclusive = sd.WasapiSettings(exclusive=True)
# play stereo data to Soekris device (main speakers)
try:
    sd.play(stereo_data,samplerate=mysamplerate,blocking=True,device='Soekris dac1541 (Soekris dac1xx1), Windows WASAPI',extra_settings=wasapi_exclusive)
except:
    print('Encountered problem playing data to Soekris.')
print('Finish playing...','\n')



sys.exit (0)


#===============================================

 

[billybuck]

No, you can use both of VAIO (as Windows default audio output device) and VASIO routings "simultaneously" if you like to do so. Please carefully read and look at my such routing diagram shared in my above post #48.

In this case (since you would use Out 1-2 only), on Windows default output "properties" settings, you need to configure the audio device in 2-CH stereo and also make them full-range stereo so that avoiding loss of low-Fq bass sound.

And, please be careful enough that the default gain settings in VAIO routing is Windows maximum full gain (maximum sound volume level), and you usually need digital gain attenuation/suppression (in my case in #48, I carefully set -16 dB, as you know well some of the Youtube clips has very high audio gain!) for routing/redirect into VASIO routings for proper/suitable level matching with your VASIO audio device(s).

I believe this flexible digital gain attenuation in VAIO on VB Matrix's Routing Grid is really nice when I (we) use either of JRiver MC's YouTube window (which feeds stereo 2CH into VAIO as Windows default audio) and usual SSD music library play (which feeds stereo 2CH into VASIO).

In my case, both of VAIO(2CH) input and VASIO(2CH) input are then fed into system-wide DSP Center "EKIO" for multichannel DSP (XO/EQ/Delay/Relative-Gain) processing.

I seem to have a problem that when the PC returns from sleep mode, I no longer get system audio unless I either disable/enable the device in Control Panel > Sounds, or sometimes restarting the Matrix audio engine works. This is despite the fact that all USB is set to not power-down at sleep.

 

[dualazmak]

I seem to have a problem that when the PC returns from sleep mode, I no longer get system audio unless I either disable/enable the device in Control Panel > Sounds, or sometimes restarting the Matrix audio engine works. This is despite the fact that all USB is set to not power-down at sleep.

Thank you for sharing this "recovery after PC's sleep mode" issue which so far I have not yet experienced since I never use Windows 11 "sleep mode" in my audio dedicated PCs.

I used to have experienced other problems on several software wakeups and on Windows background procedures after recovery from "sleep mode" (especially often in my laptop notebook PCs); I essentially do not trust/rely-on, therefore, Windows "sleep mode" which is semi-shutdown (or should I say pseud-shutdown?) of OS.

 

[dualazmak]

I run the VBMatrix core at 176400 sps, and drive the DACs at the same rate. Recently I started to switch off the SMSL DAC every night, and when I power on the DAC the next day, it defaults to 44100 sps. I found a small little niggle, VBMatrix will operate the DAC at the default 44100 sps (which is not what I want). There is no way to configure VBMatrix to "force" or initialize the DAC to a preferred sample rate before the VBMatrix routing engine starts.

Fortunately, I have no such sampling-reset issue at all in "my audio rig" using VB Matrix routing shared in my above post #48 even on full shutdown with all the AC power off.

If you would be interested, please refer here post #776 on my project thread for my "Ignition/Start-up Sequences" and full "Shutdown Sequences" .

As you may know well, JRiver MC memorizes its output sampling rate (Option - DSP_Output_Format - DSP_Studio).

My main 8-CH multichannel DAC unit, OKTO DAC8PRO, memorizes all of its configuration including sampling rate saving into non-volatile memory chip on soft-shutdown even followed by complete AC power supply shutdown. For rare occasion of changing sampling rate of DAC8PRO, I tentatively directly feed the specific rate digital audio signal from JRiver into DAC8PRO without using VB Matrix but using direct output into DAC8PRO's DIYINHK USB driver.

My secondary stereo DAC unit, KORG DS-DAC-10 (which I use only for total digital signal level/gain monitoring by physical VU meters) can instantaneously adjust its sampling rate to the input digital signal sampling rate.

The VB Matrix's VAIO4 selected as Windows default audio playback device, of course, memorizes its sampling rate set by "Control_Panel - Sound - Playback_Device - VBMatrix_4 (selected as default) - Properties - Details".

The system-wide independent DSP center "EKIO" memorizes the operating sampling rate in its configuration files; EKIO can be automatically started-up with Windows startup with reading my-specified configuration file.

And, of course, VB Matrix, can memorize its total configuration, and can be automatically started-up with Windows startup with reading the saved configuration including the sampling rate.


You would please note, as I shared in the above post #70, that I never use Windows "sleep mode" for quasi- or pseud-shutdown of OS.

 

[boxerfan88]

If you would be interested, please refer here post #776 on my project thread for my "Ignition/Start-up Sequences" and full "Shutdown Sequences" .

Oh wow!! A 25-step startup/ignition sequence.

For power saving reasons, I power down parts of my setup nightly.

My power down sequence is quite simple, just 3 steps.

1. Physically switch off SMSL DAC.
2. Physically power down my Neumann speakers.
3. My PC auto-sleeps just before 0200am, and auto-wakes-up at 0600am.

Next day, my ignition sequence is quite simple, just 3 steps.

1. Power up Neumann speakers
2. Switch on SMSL DAC
3. Execute Autohotkey script that will automatically:
   • Shutdown foobar2000
   • Shutdown VBMatrix
   • Execute the python script to play pink noise @ 176400 to both DACs
   • Start VBMatrix
   • Set CPU affinity for VBMatrix
   • Start foobar2000
   • Set CPU affinity for foobar2000

 

[dualazmak]

VB Matrix has been working very nicely with no routing/gain issue for almost two months as system-wide ASIO/VASIO/VAIO routing/gain center, and I finally paid the donation to fully activate it in two of my PCs; now no donation-request screen appears on starting VB Matrix.

I like the cool I/O peak meters on Routing Grid Matrix View as well as the small green peak meters on the Main View. Consequently, my present standard PC screen layout is like the photo below also showing JRiver MC's small dancing peak meters (L & R) and all the output peak meters of DSP "EKIO" (as system-wide XO/EQ/Group-Delay/Relative-Gain center). Please refer to my posts #858, #774, #535[physical DIY 12-VU-Meter Array] on my project thread.

 

[9h9m]

Both.
The Master DAC drives the LR channel. Master DAC is a Soekris dac1541. VB Matrix is configured to use the Soekris ASIO driver as master.
The slave DAC drives the subwoofer. Slave DAC is a SMSL DO100. VB Matrix is configured to use the SMSL WDM driver as slave.
It was playing background music throughout my workday (at home) ... I did not hear any click/pop/dropout.
Nor detect any DAC drift.

//
If you're wondering how I detect DAC clock drifted (ASIO4ALL):

• usually happens after 25-45 mins of playback
• songs with reasonable bass content will have this weird "whoop whoop" bass tune
• and it progressively gets worse.
• when I stop playback & start playback of the same song ... the weird "whoop whoop" bass sound does not happen anymore
• until 25-45 mins later ... it repeats

=> after I switched over from ASIO4ALL to VB Matrix this "whoop whoop" bass has never occurred once. Even after hours of continuous playback.

Hi boxerfan88, have you tried setting your SMSL DO100 as Master? I try VB Matrix with Benchmark DAC3 and Topping DX1, and the time shift on the Topping is horrible. But the DAC3 has none. Since I cannot set Topping as Master, I guess this has something to do with the time shift

 

[boxerfan88]

Hi boxerfan88, have you tried setting your SMSL DO100 as Master? I try VB Matrix with Benchmark DAC3 and Topping DX1, and the time shift on the Topping is horrible. But the DAC3 has none. Since I cannot set Topping as Master, I guess this has something to do with the time shift

Hi there,

I have tried all 3 combinations:
a. Soekris as master
b. SMSL as master
c. internal as master

All resulted in phase shift around the crossover point.

That’s why I went to buy another DAC - the Topping DM7 which has 8 channels. No more phase shift.

 

[9h9m]

Hi there,

I have tried all 3 combinations:
a. Soekris as master
b. SMSL as master
c. internal as master

All resulted in phase shift around the crossover point.

That’s why I went to buy another DAC - the Topping DM7 which has 8 channels. No more phase shift.

Thanks for your reply. I gave up on VB Marix and am looking into DM7 too.

 

[AudioJester]

Hi guys, a very rookie question about Matrix.

I am adding HL Host/Convolver to Roon. Unfortunately my Okto8 dac does not have a WDM driver, so using ASIO4all. I tried VB Audio Cable, and it worked but having Clock issues. So trying Matrix. I can see input into VAIO1 from Roon. How do I route it to HLHost which uses ASIO4All. I have selected VBMatrix Point 1 1+2 in HL Host, but there is no input?

 

[boxerfan88]

Post screenshots of your matrix configuration ... maybe we can help ...

 

[Littletycoon]

What is the difference between vb-matrix, aneman (merging technologies software) and say dante controller.

This in the context of preparing for an audio setup with active speakers (part genelec direct ravenna/dante input, part other with windows usb audio interface driver). The idea is that windows based player (kodi, maybe roon also for music) through hdmi audio decoder (arvus hd1/nuprime/rumoured hdfury solution) generates aoip sound channels (16, dante/aes67/ravenna, ravenna prefered) routed to the speakers via windows pc (same as the player). Hopefully a convolver/convolver host somewhere in between for room eq.

Are the 3 options comparable? Would i need a virtual sound card additionally (available for both ravenna/dante)? I'm inbetween thinking i understand and understanding nothing at all.

 

[dualazmak]

Although belated, I shared the latest system setup including the latest configuration of VB-MATRIX in detail;
- The latest system setup of my DSP-based multichannel multi-SP-driver multi-amplifier fully active audio rig, including updated startup/ignition sequences and shutdown sequences: as of June 26, 2024: #931

 

[dasdoing]

wish it would integrate with EqApo as well

 

[sebpoterie]

Beginner's question

Roon - VB-Audio MATRIX - Hang Loose Host (from Accurate Sound) - Dirac Live processor VST Plugin - 2.2 audio system with DLBC

I am trying to use Dirac processor VST plugin instead of Dirac processor standalone application.

I gave up with macOs
I am trying again with Windows 11...but I'm not far from giving up either !

With DL (BC) standalone application , Dirac manages crossover and feeds my multichannel dac with 4 filtered channels (2 mains & 2 subwoofers)

With DL plugin, Mitch from Accurate Sound, told me that I have to use VB-Audio Matrix to support multichannel (2.2) as VB-Audio Cable only supports stereo.

First question : how can I manage crossover with VB-Audio MATRIX & Hang Loose Host ?

Second question : For testing, when I play some local files, without any plugin, only Audio input connected to Audio output in HL Host, VB-Audio MATRIX configured, I have stereo sound.
When I enable the first VB-Audio Matrix VAIO (wasabi) (the first of the eight created) as zone in Roon, I have no sound while Roon indicates that it is playing.

I have hundreds more questions...
Thank you for reading my poor english.

 

[dualazmak]

First question : how can I manage crossover with VB-Audio MATRIX & Hang Loose Host ?

Although I do not directly/exactly respond to your specific inquiry, my use case of VB-MATRIX (as system-wide ASIO routing center on Windows 11 PC) with JRiver MC (as music player) and DSP "EKIO" as system-wide DSP center would be of your reference and interest.

If you would be interested, you may find the details of my hardware and software setup (showing several at-a-glance diagrams and photos) in my post #931 on my project thread, especially Fig.05 through Fig.13 thereof;
The latest system setup of my DSP-based multichannel multi-SP-driver multi-amplifier fully active audio rig, including updated startup/ignition sequences and shutdown sequences: as of June 26, 2024: #931
With this setup, DSP "EKIO" also can serve as system-wide DSP center receiving Windows default audio signals via VB-AUDIO MATRIX since it provides "VASIO" virtual audio player to be used as Windows default audio output device.

 

[Keith_W]

Roon - VB-Audio MATRIX - Hang Loose Host (from Accurate Sound) - Dirac Live processor VST Plugin - 2.2 audio system with DLBC

These things can be a complete pain in the butt. If you have a complex pipeline and no sound, you need to have a disciplined diagnostic mindset. "I have no sound because something in my signal chain is broken. Where is it broken?". Most software gives you an indication of activity, e.g. dancing bars, a blinking indicator, or some kind of animation. This is what you want to look for. So let us look at your signal chain. We can break it down into sections. Start from where the signal starts, and check activity in every link in the signal pipeline, like this:

Roon --> VB Audio Matrix (2 channels). Check:
1. Is Roon sending out audio signal? (You should see some kind of indicator that signal is being played)
2. Do you see input in VB Matrix? (you should see dancing bars indicating that VB Matrix is receiving signal).

If the answer to both questions is "no" there is something broken in this part of the chain. You need to examine all the settings.

VB Matrix --> Hang Loose Host (2 channels).
1. Did you route sound from VB Matrix to the correct output? This step can be very tricky if you have never used a mixer before!
2. Is Hang Loose Host set up to receive input from the correct outputs in VB Matrix?
3. Is Hang Loose Host giving an indication that it is receiving signal? (NOTE: I don't use HLH, so I don't know if it has a blinking indicator or not).

Hang Loose Host --> Dirac VST (2 channels)
Once again, look to see if the Dirac VST has a blinking indicator.

Dirac VST --> DAC (4 channels)
I don't know what DAC you have, but my RME indicates that it is receiving input signal, and shows me that it is sending output signal. If your DAC has this feature, check it. If the entire pipeline is intact (dancing bars in every individual link in the chain) and you still have no sound, then the problem is downstream of the DAC. For example, something is unplugged, fuse is blown, etc.

Once you isolate the problem, then you know where you need to focus your attention. IMO, sending audio from Roon to HLH is only 2 channels, so I don't know why Mitch thinks you need more than 2 channels. Unless for some reason you need to send the output from Dirac's VST to your DAC via a software cable. Maybe there is something you haven't told us? Simplicity is best, and VB Matrix is overkill for sending only 2 channels. It is more complex than what you need, and you are likely to make mistakes when setting it up if you have never seen anything like it before. I would personally suggest a 2ch cable like VAC.

 

[sebpoterie]

These things can be a complete pain in the butt. If you have a complex pipeline and no sound, you need to have a disciplined diagnostic mindset. "I have no sound because something in my signal chain is broken. Where is it broken?". Most software gives you an indication of activity, e.g. dancing bars, a blinking indicator, or some kind of animation. This is what you want to look for. So let us look at your signal chain. We can break it down into sections. Start from where the signal starts, and check activity in every link in the signal pipeline, like this:

Roon --> VB Audio Matrix (2 channels). Check:
1. Is Roon sending out audio signal? (You should see some kind of indicator that signal is being played)

Yes, Roon is sending audio bitperfect to the first VB-Audio Matrix VAIO (wasabi)

2. Do you see input in VB Matrix? (you should see dancing bars indicating that VB Matrix is receiving signal).

No, no signal on any vaio coming from Roon
But when I play some local files, I have stereo sound.

If the answer to both questions is "no" there is something broken in this part of the chain. You need to examine all the settings.

VB Matrix --> Hang Loose Host (2 channels).
1. Did you route sound from VB Matrix to the correct output? This step can be very tricky if you have never used a mixer before!

I think so because again, Foobar playing local file through the matrix and HL Host and feeds my dac on the first 2 channels (L and R).

2. Is Hang Loose Host set up to receive input from the correct outputs in VB Matrix?
3. Is Hang Loose Host giving an indication that it is receiving signal? (NOTE: I don't use HLH, so I don't know if it has a blinking indicator or not).

HLH has a blinking indicator. Dead when I use first vaio as Roon zone...

Hang Loose Host --> Dirac VST (2 channels)
Once again, look to see if the Dirac VST has a blinking indicator.

No sound at the input...so I will check Dirac vst when I will be able to play a stereo sound without any plugin on the chain.

With VB-Cable instead on VB Matrix, I had sound on channels L & R when I use VB-Audio cable as Roon endpoint.
But Mitch from Accurate Sound, told me that I have to use VB-Audio Matrix to support multichannel (2.2) as VB-Audio Cable only supports stereo

I do not understand because VB-Cable manual noted : "The VB-CABLE is the simplest Virtual Audio Cable, because it takes all audio formats asinput and does the conversion for output if needed, automatically. In other words, the VBCABLE is expected to work in any scenario, without having to configure it. Player applicationcan send audio to the CABLE input in any audio format (16 or 24 bits, 44.1 to 192kHz, 1 to 8channels) and the Recorder application can capture audio from the Cable output in any otheraudio format as well."

Dirac VST --> DAC (4 channels)
I don't know what DAC you have, but my RME indicates that it is receiving input signal, and shows me that it is sending output signal. If your DAC has this feature, check it. If the entire pipeline is intact (dancing bars in every individual link in the chain) and you still have no sound, then the problem is downstream of the DAC. For example, something is unplugged, fuse is blown, etc.

OktoDac Pro

Once you isolate the problem, then you know where you need to focus your attention. IMO, sending audio from Roon to HLH is only 2 channels, so I don't know why Mitch thinks you need more than 2 channels. Unless for some reason you need to send the output from Dirac's VST to your DAC via a software cable. Maybe there is something you haven't told us? Simplicity is best, and VB Matrix is overkill for sending only 2 channels. It is more complex than what you need, and you are likely to make mistakes when setting it up if you have never seen anything like it before. I would personally suggest a 2ch cable like VAC.

I agree....but I think that I need more than 2 channels because Dirac is doing crossover and send low frequencies to output 3 and 4 of my dac
Thank U very much for your answer.