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Sennheiser IE200

Are these very bright iems? I have moondrop Starfield. Can anyone share short comparison with these?
 
Are these very bright iems? I have moondrop Starfield. Can anyone share short comparison with these?
I want to know as well, everyone seems to have contradicting opinions. I know it has less treble than IE600 but people find that particular one bright. As long as it's no brighter than HD600 I'm happy
 
I want to know as well, everyone seems to have contradicting opinions. I know it has less treble than IE600 but people find that particular one bright. As long as it's no brighter than HD600 I'm happy
I dont own them so feel free not to trust me, but looking at frequency response graphs, I expect them to sound very different from each other in the first place.
They are bright in very different areas then the 600s. Basically, it is hard to predict if you will perceive them as bright.

The IE200 is bright in the mid treble (7-9k) which is an area where the 600s is rather dark. On the other hand, the IE200 is dark in the upper midrange/lower treble (3-5k) where the HD600 is slightly on the bright side.

While I expect the IE200 to sound warmer overall (more relaxed, less "shrill", but maybe also less clear), the mid treble area is where the IE200 is bright is a rather controversial area. Some people love a slight boost in the area as it gives a perception of "high detail", others perceive it as sharp and piercing. You most likely just have to check it out by yourself. https://squig.link/?share=Crinacle_2023_Adjusted_Target,Sennheiser_IE_200_(D1)
 

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Anyone has IE200 delivered yet? Any opinons?
I’ve had a pair for a month or two. The main criticism I have is not Sennheiser specific. The cable always gets tangled up with itself, it’s a real pain, and they are fiddly to put on. As for the cable being microphonic, mine isn’t. I go for hour long walks with them and there is no cable noise. There is however little sound isolation. When a car drives past, the noise drowns out the podcast I am listening to, which is why I went back to my Bose QC25 when walking outdoors. The sound is decent, certainly fine for the price. They are somewhat bright, but I prefer that to an exaggerated bass which is popular these days. My Sennheiser HD600 has far superior sound, but that’s hardly a surprise.
 
I got a pair earlier this week and have been using them for a while today.

I like them quite a lot.

First of all, they are comfortable. Very comfortable. I forgot I am wearing them after a while. Similar to JBL Endurance Run 2 in comfort, but without the silicon "baffles".
Second, they are the only IEM I own that I can use without EQ. Others I have either sound very boxy or pierce through my ears, or both, without EQ. IE200 does neither.
Bass is very good. Its strong and clear. Rest of the tuning is also well balanced and clear as well.
If you are a bit younger, maybe the upper treble (10KHz+) might bother you a bit and might use some toning down. It does not bother me at all.
I am using them with medium size silicon tips. They come with 3 silicone and 3 foam tips, which is also very convenient.

Here are the measurements from Oratory1990.

Only complaint I have is the cable length - they are a bit short in my opinion.

Overall, I am very happy with them. I do not like IEMs and rarely if ever use them but I think these might change that.
 
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I have a pair of these too and they are my favorite IEMs.
I use the stock eartips, but I managed to seal the hole on the nozzle and the bass is there. I love his tone and his tuning. I've tried the IE600s but they are so similar I can't justify the price.
I changed the cable with a €10 fabric Tripowin and now it's perfect.
For €150 this IEM is a no-brainer!
 
Here is the EQ settings I use for IE200 in the off chance someone is interested.

Preamp: -3dB
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 70 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 0.7
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 200 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 0.7
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1500 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 1.4
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 8500 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 2
Filter 5: ON HSC Fc 10000 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 0.7

This is how the FR graph looks like after EQ.

Also attached is the same PEQ settings in RME format.

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Here is the EQ settings I use for IE200 in the off chance someone is interested.



This is how the FR graph looks like after EQ.

Also attached is the same PEQ settings in RME format.

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As for the bass, have you tried the MOD of the hole on the nozzle which consists in plugging it?
Now they sound perfect even with the original eartips.
Placed side by side it is difficult to understand the differences between IE600 and IE200...
 
As for the bass, have you tried the MOD of the hole on the nozzle which consists in plugging it?
Now they sound perfect even with the original eartips.
Placed side by side it is difficult to understand the differences between IE600 and IE200...
No I haven't. How do you do that?
 
No I haven't. How do you do that?
Whatever malleable material you have on hand.
I used a microscopic amount of rubber/glue...

The same effect can also be had with some eartips (not all), but you lose comfort.
 

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Whatever malleable material you have on hand.
I used a microscopic amount of rubber/glue...

The same effect can also be had with some eartips (not all), but you lose comfort.
I thought pushing the tips all the way in already sealed the port, doesn't it? Nevertheless, I will try tomorrow with a minute amount of blue tag to see if that makes a difference.
 
I thought pushing the tips all the way in already sealed the port, doesn't it? Nevertheless, I will try tomorrow with a minute amount of blue tag to see if that makes a difference.
In theory it should have been like this.
some talk about bad engineering, but in my opinion it's intentional.
If you look carefully, after the hole there is a small depression/vent that continues past the eartips.
 
When I had a pair of IE200 I simply used a tiny strip of scotch tape. It worked quite nicely to seal the holes, and is fully reversible if you want to sell them later (good thing too, since I couldn't find small enough ear tips and ended up returning them).
 
Been looking at these, but some reviews have turned me away from them a bit.
Apparently the cable is extra microphonic, kinda garbage and uses a proprietary connection so your only other "supported" option is $99.
It's not really proprietary, it's standard MMCX but recessed. You can use most MMCX cables if you clip the red and transparent plastic bits off the cable, which is super easy, they are held on by just one little plastic bit and cut that it will fit. Apart from that, you can get recessed MMCX cables that work without modification, I have a $9 cable on mine. AKG N5005 uses the same system and cables sold for that will also work. It's a slight annoyance and cables that work without the clip mod are not as common, but by no means a deal breaker. Plenty of $10-20 cables even if don't want to cut a regular one. Stock cable is rubbish.

Cable options here:

 
Been using some EQ to bring my ER2XR closer to the IE200 and I must say I think I prefer it. It's not an exact match and I don't think would be possible anyway due to the different fitting - it's hard to see where the 8kHz resonance peak is on the Sennheiser. But the lower 2.7kHz "peak" and slightly reduced upper mids thereafter is matched quite well I think. Then I just raised the treble roughly in the corresponding areas without going too extreme, so obviously the big peak around 6-7kHz isn't as big and above 10kHz is raised a bit but not exactly matched.

I've been wondering about how Sennheiser tuned this and guessing from what they've said in their "Beyond the Curve" videos that there was some kind of equal-loudness EQing going on, where you get a group of people and ask them to match loudness of tones heard over speakers and on the device (headphones or in this case IEMs). I'm assuming the strange looking mids is due to trying to reaching a compromise between those different perceptions, because frequency response at the eardrum is different for everyone. It definitely works for me: I think the apparent forwardness/"shoutiness" attributed to Etymotics may be less due to the apparent bump at 1.5kHz and more to do with needing a reduction above that as in the IE200.

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Preamp: -10.0 dB Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 20 Hz Gain 4.0 dB Q 0.250 Filter 2: ON PK Fc 3700 Hz Gain -6.0 dB Q 1.000 Filter 3: ON PK Fc 6000 Hz Gain 5.0 dB Q 1.000 Filter 4: ON HSC Fc 12000 Hz Gain 5.0 dB Q 0.700
 
My EQ for IE200
 

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I've got the IE 200 (which I got on sale for AU$180, instead of the usual AU$240), and have been using them for a while.

TLDR: with Comply foam tips, my custom EQ, and an aftermarket cable (which I haven't gotten yet), they're a 5/5 and I am very happy.

First my two previous earphones are the Truthear x Crinacle Zero, and the discontinued Sennheiser M2 IEG / Momentum 2.0 In-Ear:
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So here are my very (long) subjective review/thoughts.

5/5 Comfort​

Comparing only the silicone tips, the IE 200 are way more comfortable than the other two: and I can even lie down on them! The Crinacle zero is simply too big, and the momentum pulls on the bottom of my ear.
The included silicon tips feal the same as the silicon tips of my other earphones, so nothing special. The included foam ones however where nicer, but felt like they were barely in (I.e. I need bigger tips). This isn't important though, as I already had some very comfortable Comply Tips (although I think the diameter is just a little much for my ear canals, of course the next size down is too small).
I had difficulty at first because I wasn't inserting them according to the manual (I was inserting them with the MMCX connector facing straight towards the from of my head, but according to the manual they should be angled roughly upwards 45°).
In addition, for my particular ear canal shape, I found pushing on the bottom after inserting them made them slightly more comfortable (so they point up a bit).

2/5 Sound (with Stock Silicon Tips)​

They sounded horrible with the silicon tips (in both fully pushed onto the nozzle, and only half pushed on), I think I mustn't have been getting a proper seal (my ear holes are too wide and deep?). There was basically no bass, and way too much highs.
EDIT: after trying a bit more, I think I got a proper seal. There's still not much bass, but the highs are nice.
I don't care though, because I don't use silicon anyway (as they're not comfortable).

3/5 Sound (with Stock Foam Tips)​

They sound ok with the stock foam, no real complaints except that female vocals weren't as smooth as the Harman-compliant Zero (but they are not as loud, which is good!).

4/5 Sound (With Comply Foam)​

I used my old Comply Foam tips from the M2 IEG (specifically, Large Isolation Sennheiser / T167 ones with Tech Defender/Wax Guard). The nozzle of the M2 IEG is a bit thinner, so I need to put a little extra effort to get them on, but otherwise no problems. (I can only get them in the fully-inserted position, they wont stay in the half-inserted one).

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With these on, the bass is wonderful, but the highs still have the problem I mentioned above.
In particular, they don't have the problems I had with the M2 IEG when using my foam: the bass doesn't feel like it's vigorously shaking the inside of my head, and I can eat without massively amplifying the sound of my jaw moving!

I'm tempted to get the Comply 200 series, which are the ones that apparently fit properly, and they have 3 different shapes.

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Of course they're expensive (AU$44 AU$34 for 3 pairs!), and I have 2 pairs of my M2 IEG ones that haven't deteriorated yet so I don't want to waste even more money than I already have (I literally just bought the AU$73 Crinacle Zero, just so I could know what the Harman curve sounded like!). Naturally I've bought them.

Also just randomly, I rotated the earphones with the MMCX connector facing downward, and they were still comfortable, but it was less bassy and more high pitched (maybe some people will prefer this sound?).

5/5 Sound (With Comply Foam + EQ)​

In the end, this is what really matters. It took me ages to find a good EQ. I first tried the ones shared on this thread, and Oratory1990's EQ profiles, but I didn't like any of them (I suspect they weren't designed for use with my foam tips, and only improve the sound with the silicon tips).

Now, what I did before when I had my M2 IEG EQ was play with the AutoEQ feature of my DACs (the Fiio Tiny & Melody), and put in every Sennheiser earphone I could find a frequency response measurement for. I know this sounds weird and isn't an accurate way of simulating earphones, but it gives me a lot of different sounding EQ profiles to test, which I can then use to work out what I need to do when making a custom one. Unfortunately this didn't produce good results for the IE 200 (it did for the M2 IEG).

So then I tried something I thought was stupid: EQ my earphones to match the EQ with my headphones. The reason I thought this was stupid is because the harman targets for In-Ear and Over-Ear are so different, I assumed that the ear must process sound differently when it's just in the canal vs. also goes through the pinnae.

What I did to EQ my headphones was basically make the area <1.6kHz follow the Sennheiser HD 599 (which was basically the same as stock, but 3dB more bass), and then area >3.3kHz follow the Harman OE curve (which was not as high as stock, and was smoother), where both are aligned at 500 Hz. (For some bizarre reason, an actual HD 599 sounded horrendously bassy, perhaps the ones I had were defective?)

So I copied this same approach to the IE 200 and it worked great!

EDIT: my original profile is hidden below, it doesn't copy the HD 599 <1.6kHz, and I stopped using it after a while as my ears started to hurt, and I suspect it may have been the loud low-frequencies that was causing this.

This is my old version where I didn't copy the EQ for the portion less than < 500Hz.
Here is the result:
Code:
Preamp: -3.0 dB
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc  500 Hz Gain  1.0 dB Q 0.5
Filter 2: ON PK  Fc 1800 Hz Gain -7.5 dB Q 1.0
Filter 3: ON PK  Fc 3700 Hz Gain  6.3 dB Q 1.0
Filter 4: ON PK  Fc 7600 Hz Gain -6.7 dB Q 1.3

And here are some graphs explaining how I came up with the EQ for my HD 558 and transferred it to the IE 200:
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As pure coincidence, the shape of my EQ is very similar to the one @Sebby shared above, but I've moved the frequencies to the left (@Sebby is in yellow):
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Code:
Preamp: -3.0 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 22 Hz Gain -9.4 dB Q 0.38
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 170 Hz Gain 2.0 dB Q 0.53
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1700 Hz Gain -7.6 dB Q 1.2
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 3800 Hz Gain 5.6 dB Q 1.0
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 7600 Hz Gain -6.7 dB Q 1.3

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EDIT: I also realised I should probably be using a target for the same fixture as the IE 200 measurements, however this produced bad results (female vocals were too loud). And unfortunately I couldn't find an IE 200 measurement on the HMS II.3.
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Anway, with my EQ, they sound very similar to my headphones (i.e. amazing!), they still aren't as "open" sounding: the sound is sharper and feels closer to my head. This is probably unavoidable as my Headphones are loose-fitting over-ear open-back ones, so the drivers are much further from my eardrum than on an in-ear earphone.

EDIT: I also managed to improve the Zero sound using a similar method, but without buying the Comply tips for them (as they have a much larger diameter), it wouldn't be fair to compare them. (The IE 200 are way more comfortable, so even if I did get the tips and got the Zero to sound better, I'd likely still prefer the IE 200)

2/5 Cable [Skip this section if you don't like rants]​

It works, is replaceable, is non-microphonic, is an appropriate thickness, and doesn't disconnect easily. Those are the only nice things I have to say here. It still has an advantage over my M2 IEG cable, as that was not replaceable, and moving/touching it would make loud sounds (but that was probably the sound of the earphones themselves moving, which is then amplified by my foam).

The bad things about the cable:
  • It is ugly
  • The colour doesn't match the earphones
  • The chin slider/cinch/zipper is literally just a piece of cheap transparent plastic
  • The plastic sleave bits at the earphone end of the cable are very stiff: you're supposed to bend these behind your ear to secure them, hide the cable, and stop the cable from tugging on the earphones. However, my comply foam tips don't feel good when I move the earphones after inserting them (as they expand to fill the canal), so I have to make sure I bend this plastic bit. Also, due to stupidity, I keep playing with the cable when not wearing them and then bending them into a different position (hopefully the novelty will wear off and I'll stop doing this). In contrast, the Zero cable has some kind of magic plastic spring thing: a little force can move them around, but when you let go, they spring back into their standard position.
  • There are no buttons or microphone. Although I rarely used the microphone on my M2 IEG, I used the buttons very frequently as I like to use them with my phone in my pocket, and if someone's trying to talk to me I can easily pause the music, or skip a track I don't feel like listening to, or alter the volume etc.
  • My M2 IEG cable had a much slimmer and nicer looking connector:

Naturally, I then spent ages looking for a new cable. I wanted the following features:
  • 3.5mm plug (so I can plug it into my Fiio Tiny which I use on my phone)
  • play/pause button (these always comes attached to a microphone)
  • volume buttons (some microphones only have the play/pause button on them)
  • have the buttons in the standard order (i.e. starting from the earphone end, volume up, play/pause, volume down; having a non standard order will confuse me as I have buttons on cable for my headphones as well).
  • microphone (for occasional use when answering the phone)
  • fabric cable (they feel nice)
  • all black
  • thin cable
  • looks nice
  • L-shapped plug (these are more compact and less annoying when used on my Fiio Tiny and phone)
  • small plug
  • non-microphonic (I just have to get lucky here, as you can't tell from a picture)
  • MMCX connector fits perfectly (The IE 200 has a slightly non-standard socket sadly, and I couldn't find any cables that looked identical from the pictures)
  • springy sleave at the earphone end of the cable (i.e. like the Zero cable). I have no idea how to tell from pictures if it's nice and springy or horribly stiff, so I'm just hopping here.
Of course it's impossible to find a cable with all these features! And some I won't know until I get it and try.
NICEHCK makes some nice ones, but they all have issues.
For example, the BlackDawn has a nice cable, but I don't like the silver metal bits and there is no microphone/buttons:
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The MeetEva has a slightly less nice cable, but very nice metal bits but is still missing a microphone:
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The BlackWheat has a microphone, and still looks nice (but the cable material won't feel as nice), but it's missing a cinch slider:
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So I gave up on them and bought this one from AliExpress for AU$22.60 (but with a 3.5mm connection and microphone):
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The microphone should hopefully look like this but black:
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Unfortunately, despite the cable saying it is for the IE200/300/600/900, the connectors apparently stick out and come loose easily:
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So I'm thinking of duct taping them on or something like that. (It's better than them not going in at all, which can happen as the IE 200 MMCX socket is recessed). Alternatively, I could get one with a standard MCCX connection and a AU$17 pair of adapters, but that just seems like a waste of money:
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If anyone has any suggestions for a better cable, or some way to improve such a cable, let me know!​


4/5 Overall

They would get 5/5 if only they had:
  • Not included a stupid cable
  • Come with tips that fit my ears properly! (this is probably not Sennheiser's fault, we all have different ears..)
  • Not needed EQ to feel "immersive" (it would be great if Sennheiser made earphones to match the sound of their headphones, but considering they've discontinued my HD 558 the kind of sound I like is probably not popular).
Oh and they look great (I like black), but I wish they didn't have the red ring to identify the right earphone, but instead had little braille dots like my M2 IEG, as its much easier to identify which earbud is which.

Honestly, I expected them to be this good when I bought them, so I'm very happy!
 
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I've got the IE 200 (which I got on sale for AU$180, instead of the usual AU$240), and have been using them for a while.

TLDR: with Comply foam tips, my custom EQ, and an aftermarket cable (which I haven't gotten yet), they're a 5/5 and I am very happy.

First my two previous earphones are the Truthear x Crinacle Zero, and the discontinued Sennheiser M2 IEG / Momentum 2.0 In-Ear:
View attachment 511021

So here are my very (long) subjective review/thoughts.

5/5 Comfort​

Comparing only the silicone tips, the IE 200 are way more comfortable than the other two: and I can even lie down on them! The Crinacle zero is simply too big, and the momentum pulls on the bottom of my ear.
The included silicon tips feal the same as the silicon tips of my other earphones, so nothing special. The included foam ones however where nicer, but felt like they were barely in (I.e. I need bigger tips). This isn't important though, as I already had some very comfortable Comply Tips (although I think the diameter is just a little much for my ear canals, of course the next size down is too small).
I had difficulty at first because I wasn't inserting them according to the manual (I was inserting them with the MMCX connector facing straight towards the from of my head, but according to the manual they should be angled roughly upwards 45°).

1/5 Sound (with Stock Silicon Tips)​

They sounded horrible with the silicon tips (in both fully pushed onto the nozzle, and only half pushed on), I think I mustn't have been getting a proper seal (my ear holes are too wide and deep?). There was basically no bass, and way too much highs.
I don't care though, because I don't use silicon anyway (as they're not comfortable).

3/5 Sound (with Stock Foam Tips)
They sound ok with the stock foam, no real complaints except that female vocals weren't as smooth as the Harman-compliant Zero (but they are not as loud, which is good!).


4/5 Sound (With Comply Foam)​

I used my old Comply Foam tips from the M2 IEG (specifically, Large Isolation Sennheiser / T167 ones with Tech Defender/Wax Guard). The nozzle of the M2 IEG is a bit thinner, so I need to put a little extra effort to get them on, but otherwise no problems. (I can only get them in the fully-inserter position, they wont stay in the half-inserted one).

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With these on, the bass is wonderful, but the highs still have the problem I mentioned above.
In particular, they don't have the problems I had with the M2 IEG when using my foam: the bass doesn't feel like it's vigorously shaking the inside of my head, and I can eat without massively amplifying the sound of my jaw moving!

I'm tempted to get the Comply 200 series, which are the ones that apparently fit properly, and they have 3 different shapes.

View attachment 511029

Of course they're expensive (AU$44 for 3 pairs!), and I have 2 pairs of my M2 IEG ones that haven't deteriorated yet so I don't want to waste even more money than I already have (I literally just bought the AU$73 Crinacle Zero, just so I could know what the Harman curve sounded like!).

Also just randomly, I rotated the earphones with the MMCX connector facing downward, and they were still comfortable, but it was less basy and more high pitched (maybe some people will prefer this sound?).

5/5 Sound (With Comply Foam + EQ)​

In the end, this is what really matters. It took me ages to find a good EQ. I first tried the ones shared on this thread, and Oratory1990's EQ profiles, but I didn't like any of them (I suspect they weren't designed for use with my foam tips, and only improve the sound with the silicon tips).

Now, what I did before when I had my M2 IEG EQ was play with the AutoEQ feature of my DACs (the Fiio Tiny & Melody), and put in every Sennheiser earphone I could find a frequency response measurement for. I know this sounds weird and isn't an accurate way of simulating earphones, but it gives me a lot of different sounding EQ profiles to test, which I can then use to work out what I need to do when making a custom one. Unfortunately this didn't produce good results for the IE 200 (it did for the M2 IEG).

So then I tried something I thought was stupid: EQ my earphones to match the EQ with my headphones. The reason I thought this was stupid is because the harman targets for In-Ear and Over-Ear are so different, I assumed that the ear must process sound differently when it's just in the canal vs. also goes through the pinnae.
Anyway, it worked great (although I didn't copy the EQ for the portion less than < 500Hz).
Here is the result:
Code:
Preamp: -3.0 dB
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc  500 Hz Gain  1.0 dB Q 0.5
Filter 2: ON PK  Fc 1800 Hz Gain -7.5 dB Q 1.0
Filter 3: ON PK  Fc 3700 Hz Gain  6.3 dB Q 1.0
Filter 4: ON PK  Fc 7600 Hz Gain -6.7 dB Q 1.3

And here are some graphs explaining how I came up with the EQ for my HD 558 and transferred it to the IE 200:
View attachment 511043
View attachment 511044

As pure coincidence, the shape of my EQ is very similar to the one @Sebby shared above, but I've moved the frequencies to the left (@Sebby is in yellow):
View attachment 511040

Anway, with my EQ, they sound very similar to my headphones (i.e. amazing!), they still aren't as "open" sounding: the sound is sharper and feels closer to my head. This is probably unavoidable as my Headphones are loose-fitting over-ear open-back ones, so the drivers are much further from my eardrum than on an in-ear earphone.

2/5 Cable [Skip this section if you don't like rants]​

It works, is replaceable, is non-microphonic, is an appropriate thickness, and doesn't disconnect easily. Those are the only nice things I have to say here. It still has an advantage over my M2 IEG cable, as that was not replaceable, and moving/touching it would make loud sounds (but that was probably the sound of the earphones themselves moving, which is then amplified by my foam).

The bad things about the cable:
  • It is ugly
  • The colour doesn't match the earphones
  • The chin slider/cinch/zipper is literally just a piece of cheap transparent plastic
  • The plastic sleave bits at the earphone end of the cable are very stiff: you're supposed to bend these behind your ear to secure them, hide the cable, and stop the cable from tugging on the earphones. However, my comply foam tips don't feel good when I move the earphones after inserting them (as they expand to fill the canal), so I have to make sure I bend this plastic bit. Also, due to stupidity, I keep playing with the cable when not wearing them and then bending them into a different position (hopefully the novelty will wear off and I'll stop doing this). In contrast, the Zero cable has some kind of magic plastic spring thing: a little force can move them around, but when you let go, they spring back into their standard position.
  • There are no buttons or micrphone. Although I rarely used the microphone on my M2 IEG, I used the buttons very frequently as I like to use them with my phone in my pocket, and if someone's trying to talk to me I can easily pause the music, or skip a track I don't feel like listening to, or alter the volume etc.
  • My M2 IEG cable had a much slimmer and nicer looking connector:
Naturally, I then spent ages looking for a new cable. I wanted the following features:
  • 3.5mm plug (so I can plug it into my Fiio Tiny which I use on my phone)
  • play/pause button (these always comes attached to a microphone)
  • volume buttons (some microphones only have the play/pause button on them)
  • microphone (for occasional use when answering the phone)
  • fabric cable (they feel nice)
  • all black
  • thin cable
  • looks nice
  • L-shapped plug (these are more compact and less anoying when used on my Fiio Tiny and phone)
  • small plug
  • non-microphonic (I just have to get lucky here, as you can't tell from a picture)
  • MMCX connector fits perfectly (The IE 200 has a slightly non-standard socket sadly, and I couldn't find any cables that looked identical from the pictures)
  • springy slaeve at the earphone end of the cable (i.e. like the Zero cable). I have no idea how to tell from pictures if it's nice and springy or horribly stiff, so I'm just hopping here.
Of course it's impossible to find a cable with all these features! And some I won't know untill I get it and try.
NICEHCK makes some nice ones, but they all have issues.
For example, the BlackDawn has a nice cable, but I don't like the silver metal bits and there is no microphone/buttons:
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The MeetEva has a slightly less nice cable, but very nice metal bits but is still missing a microphone:
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The BlackWheat has a microphone, and still looks nice (but the cable material won't feel as nice), but it's missing a cinch slider:
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So I gave up on them and bought this one from AliExpress for AU$22.60 (but with a 3.5mm connection and microphone):
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The microphone should hopefully look like this but black:
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Unfortunately, despite the cable saying it is for the IE200/300/600/900, the connectors apparently stick out and come loose easily:
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So I'm thinking of duct taping them on or something like that. (It's better than them not going in at all, which can happen as the IE 200 MMCX socket is recessed). Alternatively, I could get one with a standard MCCX connection and a AU$17 pair of adapters, but that just seems like a waste of money:
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If anyone has any suggestions for a better cable, or some way to improve such a cable, let me know!​


4/5 Overall

They would get 5/5 if only they had:
  • Not included a stupid cable
  • Come with foam tips that fit my ears properly! (this is probably not Sennheiser's fault, we all have different ears..)
  • Not needed EQ to feel "immersive" (it would be great if Sennheiser made earphones to match the sound of their headphones, but considering they've discontinued my HD 558 the kind of sound I like is just not popular).
Oh and they look great (I like black), but I wish they didn't have the red ring to identify the right earphone, but instead had little braille dots like my M2 IEG.

Honestly, I expected them to be this good when I bought them, so I'm very happy
In the end I fine-tuned the E.Q. and it basically turned into an IE900, lol

As for the rest, it’s crazy how personal the fit is: I find the foam eartips uncomfortable and they don’t seal at all, while the silicone ones are probably the most comfortable tips I’ve ever used, but only after I learned how to wear them properly and it wasn’t painless at first. Otherwise, yes, you get a lot of treble and no bass. Basically, forcing them all the way in during insertion makes the tips collapse and lose the seal completely. While inserting them, I pull the IEM slightly downward and magically get a perfect seal, and I leave the rigid part of the cable loose enough so it doesn’t press against my ears.

Speaking of the cable, I actually love the fact that the rigid part is very stiff and moldable. I wish all cables were like that. As for the connector, the plastic ring (red = right, black = left) is what makes it proprietary. Some people cut it off so they can use any cable, but obviously “bye bye warranty.” Many aftermarket cables for Sennheiser don’t fit very securely. Keep in mind that the proprietary connector makes the whole thing much more resistant to bending, so it does have a reason to exist.
 

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In the end I fine-tuned the E.Q. and it basically turned into an IE900, lol
Have you got an IE900 to compare with? Or are you going by frequency response graphs?
I'll give your EQ a try latter (although my DAC has a maximum Q value of 8, and you've got one with 9...). Unfortunately my ears are sore now, I think I may have had the volume up too loud, which is strange as they don't get sore from listening to my headphones loudly (maybe the issue is there's too much air pressure with no where for the air to escape to?). Perhaps I need to turn down the lower frequencies?

As for the rest, it’s crazy how personal the fit is: I find the foam eartips uncomfortable and they don’t seal at all, while the silicone ones are probably the most comfortable tips I’ve ever used, but only after I learned how to wear them properly and it wasn’t painless at first. Otherwise, yes, you get a lot of treble and no bass. Basically, forcing them all the way in during insertion makes the tips collapse and lose the seal completely. While inserting them, I pull the IEM slightly downward and magically get a perfect seal, and I leave the rigid part of the cable loose enough so it doesn’t press against my ears.
Yeah I gave up quickly with the silicon tips as I prefer foam anyway. I've even had seal problems with the foam ones though when I don't insert them properly (these earphones are very differently shaped to my M2 IEG, so I am not used to putting them in). I've been playing so much with their positioning I keep hurting my ears, but I think I've worked it out.

[As an aside, I've bought some more Comply tips in medium from www.complyfoam.com for AU$34 including shipping, whereas for some reason they were, AU$50 (incl. shipping) from www.complyfoam.com.au (and out of stock); both sites claim to give people free replacements if they don't fit in your ears, so I'll go back to large if I have problems].

Speaking of the cable, I actually love the fact that the rigid part is very stiff and moldable. I wish all cables were like that.
I've given up on them and just leave them loose and pointing down now. They were not worth the effort.
As for the connector, the plastic ring (red = right, black = left) is what makes it proprietary. Some people cut it off so they can use any cable, but obviously “bye bye warranty.”
I'd much rather cut up a cable than the earphones themselves (unless you can easily put them back?).
In fact I was about to buy this cable (which says it's for Shure IEMS, not Sennheisser):
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and then remove the little rings on the connectors if necessary. But they're AU$54, so I wasn't willing to risk it not fitting.

I just found another one from Null Audio that looks good (it comes with a IE300/600/900 connector option and a microphone not shown in the picture)
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Unfortunately it costs AU$216... and is actually uglier than the one I ordered for like 1/10th the price.

Many aftermarket cables for Sennheiser don’t fit very securely. Keep in mind that the proprietary connector makes the whole thing much more resistant to bending, so it does have a reason to exist.
Yeah, they did the same thing with my headphones, but it's easy to tell from a picture of it will fit (it was still a nightmare finding such a cable with buttons though, the one I got doesn't even fit perfectly but it's good enough):
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Have you got an IE900 to compare with? Or are you going by frequency response graphs?
I'll give your EQ a try latter (although my DAC has a maximum Q value of 8, and you've got one with 9...). Unfortunately my ears are sore now, I think I may have had the volume up too loud, which is strange as they don't get sore from listening to my headphones loudly (maybe the issue is there's too much air pressure with no where for the air to escape to?). Perhaps I need to turn down the lower frequencies?


Yeah I gave up quickly with the silicon tips as I prefer foam anyway. I've even had seal problems with the foam ones though when I don't insert them properly (these earphones are very differently shaped to my M2 IEG, so I am not used to putting them in). I've been playing so much with their positioning I keep hurting my ears, but I think I've worked it out.

[As an aside, I've bought some more Comply tips in medium from www.complyfoam.com for AU$34 including shipping, whereas for some reason they were, AU$50 (incl. shipping) from www.complyfoam.com.au (and out of stock); both sites claim to give people free replacements if they don't fit in your ears, so I'll go back to large if I have problems].


I've given up on them and just leave them loose and pointing down now. They were not worth the effort.

I'd much rather cut up a cable than the earphones themselves (unless you can easily put them back?).
In fact I was about to buy this cable (which says it's for Shure IEMS, not Sennheisser):
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and then remove the little rings on the connectors if necessary. But they're AU$54, so I wasn't willing to risk it not fitting.

I just found another one from Null Audio that looks good (it comes with a IE300/600/900 connector option and a microphone not shown in the picture)
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Unfortunately it costs AU$216... and is actually uglier than the one I ordered for like 1/10th the price.


Yeah, they did the same thing with my headphones, but it's easy to tell from a picture of it will fit (it was still a nightmare finding such a cable with buttons though, the one I got doesn't even fit perfectly but it's good enough):
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You’ve got Q value 8, so you’re using a FiiO? My BTR17 arrived yesterday (the second one) and it also tops out at Q value 8, but there’s barely any difference between 8 and 9 so you’re perfectly fine.

I had started EQ’ing them, then when I went to try the IE600 and IE900, I noticed that the IE200 with EQ didn’t sound that different. So to do the test properly, I pulled the IE200 and IE900 graphs from Squiglink and matched them. Then, having all of them in front of me, I did some A/B testing. After that I only adjusted a single peak that I could hear, and at that point they sounded almost identical, 95% the same (I’ll give myself a 5% margin of error just to be safe)
 
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