What EQ settings would you recommend for the HD800?Both HD800 and HD800S need EQ. The treble peak can also be solved passively (for HD800 and HD800S).
What EQ settings would you recommend for the HD800?Both HD800 and HD800S need EQ. The treble peak can also be solved passively (for HD800 and HD800S).
Filter: ON LSC Fc 100 Hz Gain 4 dB Q 0.8What EQ settings would you recommend for the HD800?
If neutral means Harman curve, none of those is neutral. Just take a look at frequency response measurements. I have the 701, which very similar to the 702, and after applying recommended EQ to get close to Harman target, it's another headphone. AFAIK, the 6xx HD series are more neutral.AKG K702 are the best neutral open back headphones (personal opinion).
Sennheiser HD 800 S use silver-plated proprietary cables. That makes them a snake oil product not worth considering according to this forum ASR, that routinely dismisses silver-plated copper cables as snake oil.
Do you believe that treble boost/sibilance on the Sennheiser HD 800 S could be caused by the cable?
Sennheiser HD 800 S are called extraordinarily sibilant by cheapaudioman on YouTube, and he thinks that they are not even remotely worth buying.
That's the point, the Harman curve isn't quite neutral. But it shows a study of what the general demographic wants, right? I think that means it's like keep it simple, stupid marketing. The AKG K702 are very capable headphones when one takes price, harmonic distortion, perceived soundstage and preference EQ into consideration.If neutral means Harman curve, none of those is neutral.
I frankly think this depends on how much you bother, so you might become more happy by trying good EQ. Adjusting EQ to what sounds good on most well-recorded music makes far more sense than adjusting EQ to the Harman curve.I’ve never used EQ. If I’m happy should I bother??
There are tons of posts about it on this site, and I'm not the most informed folk around here by far, but let's give it a try. The treble part is there to simulate how a speaker sounds in a typical room, roughly speaking. The bass part is adjusted to preference, as you say. Other target curves also have the same treble part, more or less equal. In summary, that huge peak in the treble part creates a sound that is more similar to how a neutral speaker sounds in a typical room. The bass of course is another story as it may vary a lot from room to room, so it's very difficult to have a "reference".That's the point, the Harman curve isn't quite neutral. But it shows a study of what the general demographic wants, right? I think that means it's like keep it simple, stupid marketing.
You have 140 messages in this forum and you write this. Please read more.The Sennheiser HD 800 S use silver-plated proprietary cables. That makes them a snake oil product not worth considering according to this forum ASR, that routinely dismisses silver-plated copper cables as snake oil.
You are entitled to your opinion no matter how objectively wrong you are.The AKG K702 are the best neutral open-back headphones (personal opinion).
Im not sure it matters one jot as long as they are included in the price. If they were to offer a silver upgrade for $200 then you might have a point.The Sennheiser HD 800 S use silver-plated proprietary cables. That makes them a snake oil product not worth considering according to this forum ASR, that routinely dismisses silver-plated copper cables as snake oil.
NoDo you believe that treble boost/sibilance on the Sennheiser HD 800 S could be caused by the cable?
The Sennheiser HD 800 S are called extraordinarily sibilant by cheapaudioman on YouTube, and he thinks that they are not even remotely worth buying.
Did you test what sounds best with well-recorded music? From what I can see, you equalized two headphones with the Harman curve as a reference. This doesn't show experience with whether the Harman curve sounds best with most well-recorded music, since the music production process didn't necessarily use exact equalization to the Harman curve.I've recently purchased a pair of Genelecs 8030C, which are quite neutral, and I can tell you that the sound of the 701 with recommended EQ to target Harman is much more similar to the sound of those than without EQ, in which case is quite far apart. I've made the test with pink noise, and is quite clear that without EQ, the 701 sounds more bright and with less bass than the 8030C. With EQ applied it's far more similar. Not equal, but way more similar. Of course this is not very scientific, but I've could have had the opposite experience, and it's not the case, so to me this is a hint of confirmation that this research on headphones is quite valuable.
When I wrote routinely, I meant that dismissal is the usual routine when the topic does become discussed. I didn't mean that silver-plated copper cables are dismissed about every other week. One definition of routinely is indeed "as a matter of course".You have 140 messages in this forum and you write this. Please read more.
The Genelecs 8030C are a pair of studio monitors, speakers. I've compared a pair of neutral speakers with the 701 with and without EQ. The point here is to be able to tell two different EQ profiles apart, and this is by far more easy with pink noise than with real music. The result is that with EQ to target Harman, the headphones sound more similar to the speakers, which correlates with what the Harman target is supposed to be.From what I can see, you equalized two headphones with the Harman curve as a reference. This doesn't show experience with whether the Harman curve sounds best with most well-recorded music, since the music production process didn't necessarily use exact equalization to the Harman curve.
Silver vs copper will make zero difference, except.... silver plated copper is often insulated with Teflon, which is a poor insulator for audio (mechanically lousy, triboelectric).Yet, I am right that silver-plated copper cables are dismissed on this forum ASR, even by the users that are technical experts. @SIY did you mean that silver-plated copper cables can make an audible difference for the worse here?
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Do you believe that treble boost/sibilance on the Sennheiser HD 800 S could be caused by the cable?
That is a paraphrase of what I told HiFi Klubben. Gathered evidence and sent it to them like a bona fide warning with regard to the Marketing Practices Act of Denmark (wouldn't surprise me if they are deceived by the snake oil themselves).It is ridiculous to even suggest this.
That is a paraphrase of what I told HiFi Klubben. Gathered evidence and sent it to them like a bona fide warning with regard to the Marketing Practices Act of Denmark (wouldn't surprise me if they are deceived by the snake oil themselves).
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