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How many of us are interested in rugs as an acoustic improvement as well as a comfort booster? I scoured ASR's post history but couldn't find anything on rugs outside of a few mentions where the topic was basically... swept under the rug. According to the smoking gun article on room acoustics, it looks like rugs should be a powerful tool to treat a room/space:
“Two speaker mono was considered superior to the one speaker, one path mono. A reflection from a vertical surface was barely audible but a horizontal reflector was more audible. An electronic delay comb filter was highly audible and annoying.”
 

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I am interested in Persian rugs as decoration! Unfortunately, the really good ones are too thin to be of much use. I should do some measurements with/without my thick wool rug to see what effect it has.
 
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That's interesting because the cheapest rugs seem to be potentially the most effective. Those are the super shaggy polyester ones with a foam bottom. I can get a 4x6 one at Bezos Mart right now for a solid $20, while a comparable Persian rug is at least 10x that and thinner/lighter.
 

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I'm more a fan of "city" type Persian rugs like the Isfahan style.

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They are probably useless for audio (too thin) but my goodness they are beautiful.
 

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I'm more a fan of "city" type Persian rugs like the Isfahan style.

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They are probably useless for audio (too thin) but my goodness they are beautiful.
That is truly a thing of beauty! We have hardwood floors with orientals in every room on the main floor of the house. They "might" do something for the sound but they're there for the way they look and secondarily to protect the floor and keep our dog's feet from slipping everywhere!
 

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A flat-hard ceiling and a hard floor can "cause trouble" and rug or carpet usually helps. It will almost always make a difference (for better or worse).

My sister has hardwood floors and we have a relative who is bothered by sound bouncing-around. She's recently added some rugs and now he is comfortable in the room.
 

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I'm more a fan of "city" type Persian rugs like the Isfahan style.

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They are probably useless for audio (too thin) but my goodness they are beautiful.
That would really tie my room together.
 

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This 8’ x 10’ heavy thick wool rug helped immensely to tame my rather large side wall. It also looks very cool. It was a monster to hang though.
 

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I am interested in Persian rugs as decoration! Unfortunately, the really good ones are too thin to be of much use. I should do some measurements with/without my thick wool rug to see what effect it has.
Would a rug pad underneath one of those nice Persian rugs be an option?
 
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Rug pads are definitely a good option to boost the acoustic-ness of a rug considering that they're usually thick felt which is great at velocity absorption. Actually, if you were to use a rug pad under a Persian rug, then that'd be an awesome (but expensive) way to have great aesthetics and great sound dampening.
 

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Cats or dogs sliding in a skid look cute :cool:
Especially when it's a hunting dog (as in you actually go hunting with it) and you just cleaned the sliding glass door when a squirrel comes right up to the sliding glass door to investigate the den. And from across the den the springer spaniel gets to build up some speed before he realizes that the glass door, is, in fact, closed.
Absolutely hilarious!
 

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Rug pads are definitely a good option to boost the acoustic-ness of a rug considering that they're usually thick felt which is great at velocity absorption. Actually, if you were to use a rug pad under a Persian rug, then that'd be an awesome (but expensive) way to have great aesthetics and great sound dampening.
I have used a rug pad in a similar case, but it was for comfort when laying on the rug with a pillow. In the large living room with a cathedral ceiling it seemed fine acoustically.
But the rug & pad were there years before the stereo was, so there is no comparison.
I would be a three man job (and at least 2/3 of a day to remove it, place the furniture back, test it & then put it back), so that event won't happen.
 

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Quick primer on the economics of Persian rugs: the best ones are handmade with very high thread count using fine silk and wool. The people who make them had to undergo years of apprenticeship under supervision of a master. To make one rug takes a team of artisans months to weave, and they don't get paid very much. The only reason you can buy these rugs at a "reasonable" price is because of political conditions in Iran - they are desperately poor, many of the children have no future, and they have to do this to survive. Some of them escape from Iran and start audio forums like this one ;)

Remember that Iran is sitting on huge reserves of oil, and the only reason they are poor is because of international sanctions and their pariah state status. Look at where they are on the map, how much arable land they have, and you realize they have a lot of georgraphic advantages. All it takes is a change of government, the lifting of sanctions, and the prosperity of Iran will improve immediately. They will reclaim their traditional status as a Middle Eastern superpower.

What this means for the rug business is that all these weavers will have something better to do. The available pool of weavers will go down just as wages go up. That will cause the price of new rugs to shoot through the roof through a combination of scarcity and increased production costs. To meet demand, more new rugs will be produced by weaving machines (and before you ask, you can easily tell the difference in quality between a hand weaved rug and a machine weaved rug). This means that hand made rugs will become scarce, and whatever you own will increase in value.

Make no mistake, a well maintained hand made Persian rug is an investment. If you think they are expensive now, wait till you see what happens if there is a change of government in Iran. All this is understood by collectors of fine Persian rugs. You could say that anybody who buys a fine Persian rug is effectively exploiting underprivileged Iranian workers, but that is the reality of the current situation. They won't be underprivileged forever, and when that happens you definitely won't be able to afford a Persian rug.

Sadly, I am not one of those "collectors". I own a couple of pieces of average value rugs, but I would really love to own a masterpiece. It would cost less than my audio system, yet be worth more by the time I die. The rug in my listening room is not Persian, it is a thick wool rug of a modern design. The reason I use it is because (1) it is affordable, (2) it works as room treatment, and (3) to buy a Persian rug that size would be stonkingly expensive.

(To the moderators, I am NOT being political. I am only discussing the economics of Persian rugs!)
 
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Way back in the 80s, my mom's parents bought hoards of "stuff" in Saudi Arabia like ornate lamps, a 4 feet high teapot you use in the desert, and loads of Persian rugs. In fact, for a while a couple of these rugs were festering in storage and getting eaten by moths because we had put all the others wherever there was an uncovered floor. However, for the ones that are still good, they look completely brand new. Now THAT's a testament to how much of an investment Persian rugs are. Note that these Saudi Arabian rugs may not have the same level of conflict as the Iranian rugs, but I don't know for sure.
 

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This 8’ x 10’ heavy thick wool rug helped immensely to tame my rather large side wall. It also looks very cool. It was a monster to hang though.
I hadn't looked in this thread till now. Was worth it to remind me sometimes people hang rugs on walls. I like it. Was even in a rug store earlier this week and they had a couple that would do for my two bare walls.

I do have a question though. How does the Roomba plugged in below the rug make it up on the wall to keep the rug vacuumed?

And what did you hang it with?

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Lots of "gold" in this thread-->

 

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Two shaggy carpets have audibly improved the FR and thus SQ in my room. Confirmed by REW measurements.
 
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