New mysterious Genelec monitors

[Pearljam5000]

@Ilkka Rissanen if you are going to answer any questions, which you invited, start at the beginning please.

He'd have to quit his job if he would answer all of the questions

 

[richard12511]

So to what length do we want to go to measure this speaker? Assuming Genelec is willing, I would need a professional crew to help unpack and load it up on NFS platform. I will likely need to build a crane to hang the thing from the ceiling, etc. Let's say we are talking $1,000 for this. Genelec of course would have to chip in with shipping which will cost near this. Do we think it is worth going through such an expense and effort for something that almost none of you will buy?

I'd chip in to help get this thing measured. It seems there are a couple people in this thread looking at a potential purchase.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I'd chip in to help get this thing measured. It seems there are a couple people in this thread looking at a potential purchase.

Welcome back
Where did you disappear for so long ?

 

[Newman]

He'd have to quit his job if he would answer all of the questions

Gee I asked 2 questions. And what do the words, “…shoot us with the questions you can't see being answered by viewing the product page or the product brochure. We are here to serve you” mean to you? And I only asked him to start at the beginning, not get to the end…

 

[Ilkka Rissanen]

@Ilkka Rissanen Will Genelec be releasing EASE files for the 8381A? If yes, when do you expect they will be available?

Yes we will. As soon as possible.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Yes we will. As soon as possible.

Why isn't the operating manual available to download on the 8381 page ?

 

[Ilkka Rissanen]

Can you show any independent research validating this claim? Including the point at which further reductions are inaudible, please?

I am not aware of any independent research, but perhaps @Thomas Lund can chime in as he is our resident expert on this subject. The claim I made is based on our internal listening tests, as well as many customer experiences while listening The Ones monitors with linearized phase response.

 

[Ilkka Rissanen]

Why isn't the operating manual available to download on the 8381 page ?

It will be added there soon.

 

[thewas]

I am not aware of any independent research, but perhaps @Thomas Lund can chime in as he is our resident expert on this subject. The claim I made is based on our internal listening tests, as well as many customer experiences while listening The Ones monitors with linearized phase response.

Actually he had replied already:

New mysterious Genelec monitors

So to what length do we want to go to measure this speaker? Assuming Genelec is willing, I would need a professional crew to help unpack and load it up on NFS platform. I will likely need to build a crane to hang the thing from the ceiling, etc. Let's say we are talking $1,000 for this...

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New mysterious Genelec monitors

Why is there a need for 3 woofers ? Do they all play the same frequencies or are the bottom 2 more like subs ? Also why ars the bottom 2 woofers opposing , is there any purpose to that? Cardiod control uses additional woofers side and/or rear for cancellation of the front wave radiation (to...

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[Curvature]

I am not aware of any independent research, but perhaps @Thomas Lund can chime in as he is our resident expert on this subject. The claim I made is based on our internal listening tests, as well as many customer experiences while listening The Ones monitors with linearized phase response.

Jens Blauert did the foundational research for audibility thresholds in this area, although I'm sure Lund will have more contemporary sources.

 

[Pearljam5000]

It will be added there soon.

When is there going to be a 8371 with smaller drivers than 8381 and a lower price ?

 

[holdingpants01]

When is there going to be a 8371 with smaller drivers than 8381 and a lower price ?

It already exist, 83x1 + W371a

 

[Pearljam5000]

It already exist, 83x1 + W371a

But they don't have the extra 4 mids and the new coaxial driver So a smaller 8381 with 10-12 inch woofers makes sense

 

[holdingpants01]

But they don't have the extra 4 mids and the new coaxial driver So a smaller 8381 with 10-12 inch woofers makes sense

They don't because they don't need them, specifically because they're smaller. Like the compression driver in 8381 is there, because of the high headroom, not because it's better than the tweeter in 83x1. This is a studio monitor company and they are engineered as such, materials, engineering and approach are employed with very specific utilitarian goals. There's no point in using 4 midrange speakers if they're not necessary for a given headroom requirement, as there's no point in making the full aluminium cabinet just because it would look good in marketing materials.

 

[Newman]

I am not aware of any independent research, but perhaps @Thomas Lund can chime in as he is our resident expert on this subject. The claim I made is based on our internal listening tests, as well as many customer experiences while listening The Ones monitors with linearized phase response.

Thanks for responding!

Thomas has already responded and neither he nor you seem to be familiar with any independent research to validate your claim.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Thanks for responding!

Thomas has already responded and neither he nor you seem to be familiar with any independent research to validate your claim.

That's a little harsh I'd say

 

[Newman]

I’m just summarising the responses I received.

 

[RobL]

@Reddoc I would not put it past Genelec to have made their new system just a little bit louder compared to their lower-priced system.

That’s quite an accusation. Please explain why you wouldn’t put that past Genelec. Are you privy to previous deceptions by them?
What would they have to gain by gaming their own blind testing?

 

[Hephaestus]

Can you show any independent research validating this claim? Including the point at which further reductions are inaudible, please?

The human ear detects half a millisecond delay in sound | Aalto University

Researchers discover how accurately the human ear can detect time delay in sounds in different frequencies.

www.aalto.fi

Audibility of Group-Delay Equalization

This paper discusses the audibility of group-delay variations. Previous research has found limits of audibility as a function of frequency for different test signals, but extracting the tolerance for group delay to help audio reproduction system designers is hard. This study considers four...

ieeexplore.ieee.org

This study was carried out by Aalto University acoustic researchers with Genelec.

 

[Newman]

Thanks but they don’t relate to preference and music. The claim that I am asking for independent research on is a claim for “better sounding” ie preference. Including the ‘inaudibility of preference’ threshold.