New mysterious Genelec monitors

[DMill]

You catching my drift

In fairness, they seem to be built to a much higher standard. And exude a much higher stature for the owner. But when rubber meets the road clearly you are paying for gorgeous overengineering Vs actual performance.

 

[kemmler3D]

Hi

Same could be said about so many HEA manufacturers.. Some examples... you have the Total Crap..err TotalDAC.. DAC that at $15,000 is thoroughly surpassed in everything that matters by a mountain of under $100 DACs... or a pair of Fosi V3 amplifiers outperforming the $350,000.oo WAVAC SET amplifiers, in everything that matters, or a circa $100 WiiM compared to the $2500 Lumin streamer ...

You catching my drift


Peace.

Sure, it's a basic truism on ASR that the price / performance curve totally falls apart once you get past a high-but-not-insanely-high price, in most categories. For example, if you pay $60K or $100K+ can you even find speakers that are noticeably better than the KEF Blades? Or will they simply be different?

There are luxury brands that cost 10-1000x what their performance would indicate, the reasons for which can't be easily defined aside from "beliefs which rest upon something other or more than fact".

 

[Pearljam5000]

Actually I'm surprised no one on ASR bought a pair of 8381 yet

 

[kemmler3D]

Actually I'm surprised no one on ASR bought a pair of 8381 yet

If I had the space, the money, and no wife, maybe I would have. So, in other words, if I was an entirely different person living an entirely different life... with the same priorities for speakers.

 

[Emlin]

If I had the space, the money, and no wife, maybe I would have. So, in other words, if I was an entirely different person living an entirely different life... with the same priorities for speakers.

Yes, we would have all of us done different things if we hadn't done the things that we did do.

 

[kemmler3D]

Yes, we would have all of us done different things if we hadn't done the things that we did do.

I'm tall, so sometimes people ask me if I play basketball. I always say yes, I'm great at basketball, except I'm really bad at passing, shooting, dribbling, offense and defense. This is something like me owning 8381s.

 

[tmtomh]

Actually I'm surprised no one on ASR bought a pair of 8381 yet

@Pearljam5000 has two pairs and is just holding out on us.

 

[Axo1989]

@Pearljam5000 has two pairs and is just holding out on us.

He had to get both colour choices?

 

[FrantzM]

Actually I'm surprised no one on ASR bought a pair of 8381 yet

Hi

Which beg the question: For most domestic applications isn’t a pair of W371 + 8351/61, the optimal solution even accounting for some Genelec subwoofer to extend the FR down to 15 Hz?

Peace.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Hi

Which beg the question: For most domestic applications isn’t a pair of W371 + 8351/61, the optimal solution even accounting for some Genelec subwoofer to extend the FR down to 15 Hz?

Peace.

Yeah probably
But you can't really compare them
And people that have heard both said they sound totally different , the 8381 is on a different league as it's a main monitor .
Plus it looks cool as hell

 

[Blockader]

Yeah probably
But you can't really compare them
And people that have heard both said they sound totally different , the 8381 is on a different league as it's a main monitor .
Plus it looks cool as hell

How can you know if they sound significantly different without hearing them in the same room and positioned identically? Ideally, the opinion you trust should come from someone who has listened to them under these conditions. Same speakers placed in two different rooms can sound more distinct from each other than two different speakers in the same room.

 

[HairyEars]

How can you know if they sound significantly different without hearing them in the same room and positioned identically? Ideally, the opinion you trust should come from someone who has listened to them under these conditions. Same speakers placed in two different rooms can sound more distinct from each other than two different speakers in the same room.

I reported on this thread that Genelec performed a blind test, in which the two monitors systems were placed behind a screen in the same room. Without fail, all the listeners picked the 8381 as their favorite sound.

 

[Pearljam5000]

How can you know if they sound significantly different without hearing them in the same room and positioned identically? Ideally, the opinion you trust should come from someone who has listened to them under these conditions. Same speakers placed in two different rooms can sound more distinct from each other than two different speakers in the same room.

I'm not sure how or where he listened to them both but I trust his opinion
It just makes sense they'll sound different as they are completely different

 

[HairyEars]

Hi

Which beg the question: For most domestic applications isn’t a pair of W371 + 8351/61, the optimal solution even accounting for some Genelec subwoofer to extend the FR down to 15 Hz?

Peace.

Depends on your room size, SPL requirements, listening distance, and if you enjoy the sound of the "Ones" to begin with...

 

[Ra1zel]

Indeed - Wilson knows exactly what they're doing. Selling overbuilt (the word "overengineered" doesn't really apply) wacky-looking, expensive speakers that have a (I assume) pleasant-but-colored response that ticks the right boxes for their rich clientele.

Maybe Wilson is smarter than Genelec in that regard. They're charging just as much for giant weird-looking speakers (sometimes more) and they don't even have to do a bunch of boring math and simulations to design them.

Pretty much, you could maybe convince a wilson customer that Genelec is just as good but he still will buy Wilson. You won't impress your rich audiophile friends otherwise and that's how this business rolls. Well at least some high end brands make good measuring speakers like Magico.

 

[Ra1zel]

@Pearljam5000 has two pairs and is just holding out on us.

He needs 7 to make a multichannel setup

 

[Sokel]

Sure, it's a basic truism on ASR that the price / performance curve totally falls apart once you get past a high-but-not-insanely-high price, in most categories. For example, if you pay $60K or $100K+ can you even find speakers that are noticeably better than the KEF Blades? Or will they simply be different?

There are luxury brands that cost 10-1000x what their performance would indicate, the reasons for which can't be easily defined aside from "beliefs which rest upon something other or more than fact".

Engineering wise and with comparable output,the difference is not so big when someone passes the 120db SPL mark in speakers,either Studio Pro,HEA or anything (not PA) .
When it comes to electronics,not all HEA are far from the best performances,Macnitosh for example is really nice and with monstrous output at the entry HEA level and then are the unreachable (in terms of performance) Halcro and stuff in the medium-to high mark.

There is nice stuff around but audible?If that's the argument the only parameter that makes sense is pure power for amps (so one can getaway with any pro stuff) and the way a speaker delivers and at what level in terms of speakers.

But then again,how we would argue here if we didn't mix good engineering with audibility?

 

[Pearljam5000]

New review

Review: Genelec 8381A SAM™ Adaptive Point Source Main Monitor

The pinnacle of SAM-Series monitoring and beyond

www.recordingmag.com

 

[Pearljam5000]

Another new reveiw

Hands on: Genelec 8381A review

£60k five-way active studio monitors that combine sophistication and savagery

www.whathifi.com

 

[sigbergaudio]

Did not expect to see those reviewed in What Hifi.