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Marantz CD6007 Review (CD Player)

You ripped all your 3 300 CD's :OOOOO Wooww, that is a ton of hours!!! How much GB?
It was a nightmare indeed especially when some CDs were not recognized, I had to name each song with all necessary tags so that each song would be part of the album, plus taking the picture of front cover…
The latest update of the PC was a 2Tb hard drive to host music only and it’s nearly full.

I did all of that in the span of 10 years as it was largely depending on the free time I could find.
In fact I stopped also because searching the library became very slow and it was annoying me that online search was faster. After several upgrades of the PC to make it a little beast, and still suffering performance issues, I suddenly stopped all at once. Having IT issues, when only wanting to listen to music, became a no go concept in my mind :)

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The latest update of the PC was a 2Tb hard drive to host music only and it’s nearly full.

My own ripped-CDs library is way smaller and it therefore fits on a 256 GB Micro SD card. That one is permanently plugged into a decent enough laptop, which is my really nice and flawless working solution for some years now.
 
Excellent review, @NTTY, not to mention very welcomed, since this is quite a popular product : Basically the entry level Hi-Fi CD player you could find pretty much everywhere.

Deserves the home page IMHO, @amirm :cool:
 
You should test that machine with intersample overs...
Hi, I don’t have this one but a SM5840 in the Teac VRDS20.

This is an overlay of Multitone and white noise up to 48kHz (Linear scale):

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It shows the filter response and attenuation. Is it what you meant by "intersample over"?

Thanks

EDIT (08/31/2024) : replying to myself, no no no. This is it and also that.

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Excellent review, @NTTY, not to mention very welcomed, since this is quite a popular product : Basically the entry level Hi-Fi CD player you could find pretty much everywhere.

Deserves the home page IMHO, @amirm :cool:
Thank you,

It was an interesting experience for me :)

Usually, my set of measurements and test protocol are enough to evaluate the quality of a CD player. When I have to deviate, it means there’s an issue, and I like being challenged as I was here.

I will review next week the Denon DCD-900NE ;)

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Flo
 
Hi, I don’t have this one but a SM5840 in the Teac VRDS20.

This is an overlay of Multitone and white noise up to 48kHz (Linear scale):

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It shows the filter response and attenuation. Is it what you meant by "intersample over"?

Thanks

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Flo
I think intersample over is when it clips between samples.
 
I think intersample over is when it clips between samples.
Thank you and of course, I should have got that.
I need to figure out how to test, this is interesting.

I found this article from Benchmark talking about it, and some tests they performed using Audacity and an AP. They say that for some tracks "the 44.1 kHz sampling has simply captured peaks that exceed 0 dBFS”.
This sounds like bad practice to have no head-room when recording but they show multiple examples. And yes indeed it would overload an interpolator. So I suppose the suggestion of @restorer-john is to go see what happens in that case with older oversampling chips.

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Thank you and of course, I should have got that.
I need to figure out how to test, this is interesting.

I found this article from Benchmark talking about it, and some tests they performed using Audacity and an AP. They say that for some tracks "the 44.1 kHz sampling has simply captured peaks that exceed 0 dBFS”.
This sounds like bad practice to have no head-room when recording but they show multiple examples. And yes indeed it would overload an interpolator. So I suppose the suggestion of @restorer-john is to go see what happens in that case with older oversampling chips.

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Flo
Do newer chips not suffer from this problem?
 
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The article from Benchmark (dated Feb. 2017) states:

Every D/A chip and SRC chip that we have tested here at Benchmark has an intersample clipping problem! To the best of our knowledge, no chip manufacturer has adequately addressed this problem. For this reason, virtually every audio device on the market has an intersample overload problem. This problem is most noticeable when playing 44.1 kHz sample rates.

This problem seems to find its root cause in the loudness war. So I guess the real solution is for the recording industry to use a 3dB headroom minimum.
 
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Hello Everyone,

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Marantz CD6007 stereo player and transport.

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After the Onkyo C-733, this is my second review on ASR.

Fact is I’m a lot into CD players, especially older ones, I like testing them to witness the evolution (over the last 4 decades) of the Digital to Analog conversion techniques.

Following the review of the Marantz CD6006 here, I wanted to give a chance to Marantz and to a modern CD player, hoping it could serve as a reference for me (when it comes to compare old vs new CD player).

Anyways, follow me because it was kind of an adventure.


Marantz CD6007 - Presentation

This is still the latest iteration from Marantz (as of August 2024) of this player, replacing the previous CD6006. As you can see on the above picture, the look has not changed and has been the same for a long time. I like it a lot.

On the front face you can find phones output, which is cool. Even cooler, the amp gain can be adjusted (3 levels - High/Mid/Low - Default is Low), so you can make it match the impedance of your favorite cans. There is also a USB input which will accept a drive and higher resolution files (up to PCM 24bits/192kHz and DSD 5.6MHz).

The oversampling filter has two settings, Filter 1 (Default) and Filter 2. They are described as such in the user guide:

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Back panel shows the essential:

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We have RCA out and digital (Otpi + Coax). Note the coper (plated?) screws, giving a luxury touch.

I did not open it, but you'll find plenty of pictures on the web. You will see that this player features a discrete output stage from Marantz (HDAM). There was also an apparent issue with AKM to deliver the DAC (AK4490) after a fire at their factory, and it seems some of these players have an ESS DAC instead of the AK for that reason.

In terms of usage, first impression was rather good. But I was rapidly annoyed by the slowness of the drive, especially considering this is a CD player only. Indeed, if going forward is relatively fast (but no where near older players), going backwards was a nightmare. It just did not react to my instructions. When using my test CD which contains 44 tracks, it was faster to go 20 tracks forwards than 5 backwards. I don't like that.

Other than that, the finish is flawless.


Marantz CD6007 - Measurements (Analog out - From CD)

From now on, I will be consistent with my measurements as I described them on the Onkyo C-733 review. So over time, this will help comparing the items I reviewed.

The Marantz CD6007 outputs roughly 2dB above the standard 2Vrsm, maybe Marantz has something to say THEY WANT YOU TO HEAR? :)

Let's start with the standard 1kHz sine @0dBFS (dithered) from my test CD (RCA out) with Filter 1 since it is the default choice:

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I was honestly not expecting a change with Filter 2, but here you go:

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It's minor, but seeing more harmonic distortion only because of slow/sharp filter change was a surprise (to me, maybe only).

I showed only one channel, but left and right are identical. THD is just below CD Audio resolution, which is good, but could have been better.
SINAD and ENOB are limited by the dithered noise of the test CD, but could be almost 2dB better, as it's the max of the test CD (when measured digitally).
Other results (not shown) are:
  • Crosstalk : Non measurable at 1kHz, -132dB at 10kHz
  • SNR : 97.5dB (1kHz @-60dBFS, no dither)
  • IMD AES : -95dB

You probably already noticed that this is a very quiet CD player, with minimum power supply–related spuriae in its output (below -120dB at 50Hz):

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This is really nice, and I'm happy to see near excellence in this area.

Bandwidth measurement was the point where this CD player started to give me some concerns. The two channels are matching at less than 0.05dB (very good). But have a look at the bandwidth between the two filters:

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Yes, -5dB at 20kHz for Filter 1... And both have a negative effect starting at 10kHz or before... If the younger ears out here are to perceive a difference, or say smoothness into this player, this is why.

But let's zoom a little more:

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Typical ringing of (old) filtering can be seen with Filter 1. You know, back in 1982, Marantz released its first CD player (CD-73) which had a 14bits only DAC and was relying on oversampling (and noise shaping) filter to compensate for the missing 2bits. This filter had significant ringing (I still have mine, I'll do a review here one day), and that might have driven Marantz this way?

Ringing is one thing, but analog filtering post conversion is another. And so, at this point, I started scratching my head, obviously in need of deep diving into what was going on here.

In the meantime, mutlitones test showed no issue, with both filters, I was happy again:

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In both cases, CD Audio content is safe, from 20Hz to 20kHz.

The Marantz did not show any sign of Jitter:

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This is an overlay of Analog (blue) and Digital outputs (red). The Marantz did not add jitter on top of what's potentially on the Test CD. Note the absence of additional rays, it's very good.

Before I go into digital output, I need to analyze what's about the oversampling filter.
When using the Filer 1, I saw such a slow filter that I wondered: what if I give it a square signal? Well, here you go (Square 1kHz @0dBFS ):

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Whaaat?
That is theoretically not possible. Because of bandwidth limitation (22kHz max in CDA), this should show the Gibbs Phenomenon. Filter 2 gives a more logical result:

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We find here more of the bandwidth limitation of CD Audio, but still not what it should be. And for reference, this is what we should (and need) to see (from the Onkyo C-733):

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The ringing is correct here. So, what's going on with the Marantz CD6007?

In order to better understand, I had to analyze up to 96kHz (I can't go higher than that with my Motu interface). And here are the results:

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Sorry for the complex view, it contains a lot of information. Deep red and blue traces are white noise analysis (@16bits/44.1kHz) from 20Hz to 96kHz. They both show the oversampling filter response.

On top, there are triple tones test at 80Hz, 1kHz and 10khz (my choice). Light blue is Filter 2 and shows very high level aliases of the conversion at 78.2kHz (-46dBr), 87.2kHz (-58dBr), 88.1kHz (-60dBR), 88.3kHz (-60dBr) and 89.2kHz (-62dBr). Light red shows the same with Filter 1, but aliases are attenuated, as per the oversampling response filter.

I think this type of response recalls me a case of upsampling to DSD before conversion. I will double check later. EDIT: Found! I finally recalled my test of the Asus Xonar Essence One DAC, which offered an oversampling function. Since I still have it, time to grab and plug, here you go with its filter response when upsampling is activated or not (from CD Player digital output, that is 16bits/44.1kHz):

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Even though we're not looking at the exact same effect here, you can see that activating the upsampling filter on the Asus generates a very early roll off, making it sound dull. Filter 1 of the Marantz is not that bad, yet -5dB at 20kHz is what we see.

In terms of 1kHz Square view, the Asus also reproduces a near perfect square, indicating again a large amount of artifacts of the conversion going through (because of bad filtering):

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And again, without upsampling, the square shows the Gibbs Phenomenon, which it should because there's proper filtering:

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Ok all of that is clear now, I think. The Marantz operates an upsampling (to DSD?) of the signal, be it 44.1kHz or 48kHz. It decreases the out of band attenuation which should have been avoided, on my perspective.

So you're left with two choices when playing CD audio or files at 44.1kHz or 48kHz (same response):
  • Filter 1: very slow filter, kind of "NOS", non oversampling filtering, letting a lot of artifacts of the conversion go to your preamp, amplifier and speakers.
  • Filter 2: sharper filter and reasonable attenuation (-70dB) at around 24kHz but with higher energy artifacts starting from 70kHz.
When I started my testing, I thought sharper filter was better, but in the end, I'm not sure.

What will happen with real music, you might ask. Well, here you go below with a long term analysis (1700 averages) of the track "Fast Car" from Tracy Chapman:

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Filter 2 (blue) shows high energy of aliases at near -50dB around 88kHz. Filter 1 (red) shows typical Sinc envelope conversion and unwanted imaging. So with real music, the lack of post 22kHz filtering shows here.


Marantz CD6007 - Measurements (Analog out - From USB in)

If the above let me concerned, when using higher resolution files (24bits/96kHz) from the USB input, the results, at least on a filtering perspective, were good. Here below is an example of filter response (Filter 1 and 2) with a 24bits/96kHz file (played from a USB stick):

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What was a concern with 44.1kHz files has vanished here. Sharp and Slow filters show good results. This tells me that the Marantz CD6007 is at better ease dealing with high-res files than CD Audio (too bad for a CD player).

The 1kHz @0dBFS with 24bits/96kHz files showed the below:

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If the distortion did not improve much, the SNR did. That said, on a noise perspective, I'm close to the limit of my Motu interface which is not so at ease with only 2.5Vrms input. So the Marantz might do better. But THD is what it is, and that's the SINAD limitation here.


Marantz CD6007 Measurements - Optical Out

Last but not least, I measured the digital output of the player, from my test CD, for those who'd like to use it as a transport. The below view shows what's on the CD:

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Note this is only 4 averages when I measured, compared to 32 averages I usually apply. It does not change the final results though. THD is basically non existent and rest is limited by the dithered noise of the test CD.
This is very good and I confirm this player can act as a very good transport, not modifying the bitstream.


Conclusion

This review might generate discussions. I'm eager to learn, as always. Maybe I got something wrong (about filter issue with 44.1kHz files/CD and 48kHz files too), but I'm sure of my measurements. Someone from Marantz or here might be able to assist and give some clues as to what is happening. Is it upsampling to DSD causing this?

Despite the overall good results, in audio band analysis, I can't ignore what's happening beyond 20kHz as it concerns me (but should it be of concerns?). I don't understand the benefit of the lack of filtering I saw, not to mention the significant roll of starting at 15kHz with Filter 1. Obviously Filter2 offers better response in band and also better attenuation out of band, but the energy that it lets go through at around 88kHz are artifact from low frequency in-band audio (where music has a lot of energy, ie: bass). So I'm puzzled as to what filter to use.

Since that is primarily a CD player, I expected better processing with 44.1kHz audio files. Higher resolution files are processed correctly up to what I can measure (96kHz).

It is a good Transport too.

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Hi guys, new user here.
I'm using this Marantz CD6007 and I'm concerned, as the author of the measurements, from the issues with oversampling filters. In your opinion, could the unwanted imaging artifacts be dangerous for preamp, power amps and tweeters? I'm using B&W 805S as speakers. Why this strange behaviour? Could someone help me?
 
In order to better understand, I had to analyze up to 96kHz (I can't go higher than that with my Motu interface). And here are the results:

Marantz-CD6007_TripleTones_WhiteNoise_Filter1and2.jpg
Good lord, this filter performance stinks! Barely 40 dB of worst-case ultimate rejection and 4X oversampling - this seems more appropriate for a budget CD player from 30 years ago than anything recent. This must be happening before the DAC, given that the ESS DACs I know are using 8X oversampling filters. Normally the motivation for doing prior upsampling would be achieving better overall performance, not making it worse!

As previously mentioned, a test for intersample-overs would be neat. There are various approaches for teasing them out, from the legendary fs/4 square wave test tones to white noise of increasing levels like Archimago likes to use (you will eventually see filter ultimate rejection degrade).

I'm using this Marantz CD6007 and I'm concerned, as the author of the measurements, from the issues with oversampling filters. In your opinion, could the unwanted imaging artifacts be dangerous for preamp, power amps and tweeters?
Not likely, given that the worst-offending areas would be containing aliasing from the treble and there generally isn't that much energy up there, so I doubt you'd be seeing anything worse than 60 dB down from the baseband signal very often in real life. It sure isn't pretty though, or anything near state of the art.
 
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Good lord, this filter performance stinks! Barely 40 dB of worst-case ultimate rejection and 4X oversampling - this seems more appropriate for a budget CD player from 30 years ago than anything recent. This must be happening before the DAC, given that the ESS DACs I know are using 8X oversampling filters. Normally the motivation for doing prior upsampling would be achieving better overall performance, not making it worse!

Agreed. I suppose this is indeed upsampling function, which defeats further oversampling filtering preventing 44.1kHz images to be properly rejected.

As previously mentioned, a test for intersample-overs would be neat. There are various approaches for teasing them out, from the legendary fs/4 square wave test tones to white noise of increasing levels like Archimago likes to use (you will eventually see filter ultimate rejection degrade).

I read a lot of Archimago’s publications and his measurements (+ those of Stereophile) inspired mine. I use too white noise (only to analyze filter’s response), many standard IMD tests and triple tones too (as some vendors shit standard IMD measurements) and only when needed square test signals.

But I still did not figure out what test to show intersample-over, provided I really understood their nature. I saw indeed a jitter-like test (Fs/4) being used by Benchmark, but that seemed to be overdriving the DAC and I can’t create a clipping signal with the REW generator. Maybe using Audacity afterwards I could force that. But since I’m unsure of what effect to look for, I still wonder.

Not likely, given that the worst-offending areas would be containing aliasing from the treble and there generally isn't that much energy up there, so I doubt you'd be seeing anything worse than 60 dB down from the baseband signal very often in real life. It sure isn't pretty though, or anything near state of the art.

Unfortunately, on the example I provided (triple tones 80Hz, 1kHz and 10kHz), you can see images of 80Hz and 1kHz heavily leaking around 88kHz with Filter 2. Filter 1 attenuates them.

EDIT: I add two views to better understand the effect of the two filters using an IDM SMPTE test (60Hz & 7kHz 4:1), in log scale first:

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And linear scale below, which I prefer for wide band analysis (it's the same view, just log to linear scale change):

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So if one believes that is of concern, best is to avoid Filter 2 with CDs.

All that said, it’s at around -60dB, which is what we had in the past from early DACs and for at least a decade. So it should be ok, even if a little sad seeing such issue with current advanced knowledge and tech. At least on another Marantz (old CD recorder), it considers -50dBFS as silence and stops recording :p

Cheers

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Really thanks for the answers. What a strange behaviour, considering instead the good performances from the USB input with 24/96 khz files.
 
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Great review, thank you!

@amirm plese consider promoting this. It would be a shame for lots of us to miss it.
 
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My takeaway from this review was that with this CD player is better to avoid filter 1 and even better to avoid filter 2 :) I am glad I have some older CD players (that I never use anyway :)
 
@usersky Thanks for your comments, I'm glad you enjoyed.

It's rare to see reviews including ultrasonic analysis. Does it mean that what I showed here if of concerns? I'm not sure.
I can't challenge your takeaway, it's mine too :)

But considering the performances of my ears, at my age, I think filter 1 should be preferred, unless younger ears find the sound a bit dull. Filter 1 prevents high energy signal to be replicated at arounds 80kHz, so I think it's better to avoid, even if I can't demonstrate an issue related to that.
 
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@usersky Thanks for your comments, I'm glad you enjoyed.

It's rare to see reviews including ultrasonic analysis. Does it mean that what I showed here if of concerns? I'm not sure.
I can't challenge your takeaway, it's mine too :)

But considering the performances of my ears, at my age, I think filter 1 should be preferred, unless younger ears find the sound a but dull. Filter 1 prevents high energy signal to be replicated at arounds 80kHz, si I think it's better to avoid, even if I can't demonstrate an issue related to that.
Why scramble to pick the least damaging alternative when one can find better measuring old CD players for almost free everywhere? The key is to have measurements.
I have a Marantz CD5004 that looks like this but there's no filter choice (better, I have less to think about :) - have it just for aestetics (it fits with a marantz receiver in my bedroom).
What I use (rarely) is a Sony CDP 227 ESD, incomparable feeling but no idea about measurements, to me all I have sound the same.
 
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