Kef R Meta Series Release

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

If 20 different person mention the exact same thing, don't you think it's a good chance that speaker truly have a bright sound?

There is a guy in my country who start to import X brand of speakers, there was so much noise in the country-forum pointing how nice and have not competition because they are the best, a lot of post and bla bla, 25 guys exactly.
They post how they went to his house and bla bla

Later, a friend says that these guys are the inversionist, he got mad because he wanted to be anninversionist too
Hyper mega lol.

 

[buz]

Are we supposed to satisfy the graphs?

Be satisfied by them

 

[anthonymoody]

You certainly get some serious weight from the Reference series

Reminds me of when someone did a teardown of Beats headphones and found weights inside, to give the illusion of quality. (I say this as a Reference 3, and r-series owner!)

 

[Mnyb]

The unavoidable question is: What is the point of chasing better sound if we can never judge it by ear? Which senses are we trying to satisfy here?

The point was you can not judge a speaker seeing another guy doing a video where he’s judging a speaker without any basic controls

 

[regan]

Sad that KEF as a engineering company still needs subjective reviews to sell their products. Audiosciencereview should be the only one place they should really care.

If they want to file for bankruptcy this may be an efficient tactic.

Otherwise they should promote their products on all possible platforms: subjective audiophile reviewers, graphs loving reviewers, audiophiliac, oprah, tucker carlson, milk box ads, pornhub ads etc.

The point is to sell as many as possible so their business flourishes and keeps on bringing top quality affordable(ish) products to make me and my people happy.

 

[pablolie]

The one thing KEF is guilty off at times -just like every auto company these days- is that they claim fundamental technology breakthroughs - while the measurements show the improvements are at most marginal, at worst immaterial. But it is very telling when the "rationalist" camp convinces itself that a 0.2dB change in Klippel somewhere in the frequency band is clearly hearable and the older product generation is "unlistenable" as a result... :-D

 

[MattHooper]

The point was you can not judge a speaker seeing another guy doing a video where he’s judging a speaker without any basic controls

Are you aware of measurements that suggest Steve G's review impressions were inaccurate?

He described the KEFs as sounding neutral and well balanced, and compared them to a number of other speakers he had, and the characteristic differences he described seemed entirely plausible, given the design differences in those speakers (and what we know from measurements of some of them).

 

[goat76]

The point was you can not judge a speaker seeing another guy doing a video where he’s judging a speaker without any basic controls

I can't judge how a speaker sounds and if I like it just by looking at the measurement graphs, I can only see if the speaker has some technical deviations that I may or may not hear if I get the chance to demo the speakers myself.

I would like to say it depends on numerous things if I can "judge a speaker seeing another guy doing a video where he’s judging a speaker". One reason can be that he compares the speaker with another speaker I have a lot of experience with, which he describes in a way that I recognize it. Another reason can be that I have seen or read a bunch of reviews over the years from the same guy, and his taste is very similar to mine based on his descriptions and my own experience with the same products. Or I have over the years simply learned what the guy likes and doesn't like, and even if his taste is not completely comparable with my taste, I can make a fairly good judgment if the particular speaker may or may not be what I prefer.

Or, or, or... I think you get my point.

 

[goat76]

The one thing KEF is guilty off at times -just like every auto company these days- is that they claim fundamental technology breakthroughs - while the measurements show the improvements are at most marginal, at worst immaterial. But it is very telling when the "rationalist" camp convinces itself that a 0.2dB change in Klippel somewhere in the frequency band is clearly hearable and the older product generation is "unlistenable" as a result... :-D

Just a couple of days ago, while reading this thread, I was thinking the exact same thing about the similarities between the car industry and the launch of the new KEF speakers.

 

[Frank Sinbeans]

The unavoidable question is: What is the point of chasing better sound if we can never judge it by ear? Which senses are we trying to satisfy here?

Eyes and intellect. Everything else is a figment of the imagination!

 

[pablolie]

Eyes and intellect. Everything else is a figment of the imagination!

Within the realm of purpose- and competently-designed equipment, I think the term "better sound" is simply driven by preferences.

*I* like "linearly enough" measuring stuff that shows an attempt to stay true to the "original" (which in itself is an elusive thing), but I also have enjoyed completely colored presentations - I have mentioned in previous posts how much I enjoy listening to some music through a friend's system that is designed to sound "sweet".

I know what I like. I am sure in my room it wouldn't measure to sound perfectly linear (and I doubt most rooms do), but it brings out the elements I want to come out, while also being neutral enough to allow for more analytical listening.

 

[pjn]

I've put some initial impressions of the R6 meta here - https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/kef-r6-meta-initial-impression.42371/
Not rigorous, but it looks very nice compared to an LS50 meta

 

[JRS]

The one thing KEF is guilty off at times -just like every auto company these days- is that they claim fundamental technology breakthroughs - while the measurements show the improvements are at most marginal, at worst immaterial. But it is very telling when the "rationalist" camp convinces itself that a 0.2dB change in Klippel somewhere in the frequency band is clearly hearable and the older product generation is "unlistenable" as a result... :-D

Nice pun there with "immaterial"--not sure if it was intended, but suspect so.

 

[dogmamann]

The one thing KEF is guilty off at times -just like every auto company these days- is that they claim fundamental technology breakthroughs - while the measurements show the improvements are at most marginal, at worst immaterial. But it is very telling when the "rationalist" camp convinces itself that a 0.2dB change in Klippel somewhere in the frequency band is clearly hearable and the older product generation is "unlistenable" as a result... :-D

Kef is Never guilty!

I can't judge how a speaker sounds and if I like it just by looking at the measurement graphs, I can only see if the speaker has some technical deviations that I may or may not hear if I get the chance to demo the speakers myself.

I would like to say it depends on numerous things if I can "judge a speaker seeing another guy doing a video where he’s judging a speaker". One reason can be that he compares the speaker with another speaker I have a lot of experience with, which he describes in a way that I recognize it. Another reason can be that I have seen or read a bunch of reviews over the years from the same guy, and his taste is very similar to mine based on his descriptions and my own experience with the same products. Or I have over the years simply learned what the guy likes and doesn't like, and even if his taste is not completely comparable with my taste, I can make a fairly good judgment if the particular speaker may or may not be what I prefer.

Or, or, or... I think you get my point.

problem is you and he aren’t in the same room and do not have the same level of hearing. If he says about everything makes sense to you, may be it’s working for you, but doenst meant other s with another room acoustics and level of heating and bias about good sound would feel the same way about the products he reviews

 

[goat76]

problem is you and he aren’t in the same room and do not have the same level of hearing. If he says about everything makes sense to you, may be it’s working for you, but doenst meant other s with another room acoustics and level of heating and bias about good sound would feel the same way about the products he reviews

I was never talking about Steve Guttenburg in specific, I’m just looking at his reviews now and then for entertainment purposes.

But... If we are talking about him and specifically the latest KEF speaker review, I think people who are well aware of the speakers he compared the KEF speaker with, can put it “on the map” how it compares sound-wise to those speakers.
And for the people who has followed him for many years, I’m sure they have a pretty good idea of what Steve usually likes and how that compares to their taste.

And as @MattHooper mentions above, I think Steve this time around was pretty straightforward with his impressions about the KEF speaker. What is it you find so hard to understand in his review?

 

[dogmamann]

I was never talking about Steve Guttenburg in specific, I’m just looking at his reviews now and then for entertainment purposes.

But... If we are talking about him and specifically the latest KEF speaker review, I think people who are well aware of the speakers he compared the KEF speaker with, can put it “on the map” how it compares sound-wise to those speakers.
And for the people who has followed him for many years, I’m sure they have a pretty good idea of what Steve usually likes and how that compares to their taste.

And as @MattHooper mentions above, I think Steve this time around was pretty straightforward with his impressions about the KEF speaker. What is it you find so hard to understand in his review?

I don’t trust his hearing at his age. He is a human being, who definitely will have his share of hearing loss at that age. So, anything he says about “highs” cannot be trusted or useful for the entire age group of people. May be for folks of his age it’s relatable.

 

[goat76]

I don’t trust his hearing at his age. He is a human being, who definitely will have his share of hearing loss at that age. So, anything he says about “highs” cannot be trusted or useful for the entire age group of people. May be for folks of his age it’s relatable.

As I said, I was never focusing on Steve Guttenberg specifically which your initial reply didn't seem to do either.

this kind of bullshit has no place here! You cannot judge the sound of a speaker by ear like this.

 

[Vacceo]

To be honest, I trust Matt Hopper on his subjective explanations for a very simple reason: he earns nothing from them.

 

[Opal]

Talking about Steve Guttenberg.. I am know he has a huge following on youtube and online, but this guy looks like he is hitting his 70s soon. Shouldnt your sense of hearing deteriorate a lot at that age?? Like i will not trust a 60s-70s guy reviewing speakers giving subjective opinions lol. No offence but science??

 

[ahofer]

And for the people who has followed him for many years, I’m sure they have a pretty good idea of what Steve usually likes and how that compares to their taste.

Depends on whether he had a bad hair day.