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Interesting new Moondrop product- DSP equipped IEM cable
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Tell me that isn't an HE6
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Thats using the 2.5mm? Assuming you add a fair few dB bass shelf, can you get the 5K to go loud enough? Ive never tried my HE6v2 with anything portable. Maybe I should (though the weight alone would be enough to make me think twice)
This is using the 2.5mm which is 4x the power. It goes to a moderately loud volume without EQ. With a bass shelf it's still listenable.
I wouldn't recommend it with the Qudelix, realistically, just did to try it. I don't listen to it on the Qudelix. Main amp is a Topping A90, and 99% of the time I use this. I have a Fiio K7 as a bedside amp which is also "enough" for them IMO.
Amir measured 1,370mV for 94dB and 64Ω on the HE6SEV1. This would be 79.3dB/mW.
RAA reckons the Qudelix does 178.8mW before clipping into 62.4Ω, Amir measured 210mW into 50Ω. That's about 102dB... it's not nothing. You do have to bear in mind that music content tends to be way below the max though.
It's the only headphone I can turn the Qudelix up to max and actually listen to it.
Yeah, but for the price, it's great.
I've been thinking about taking the circuit board out of my Radsone ES100, which has a bad battery, and fitting it into the head band of my HE-4XX along with a bigger battery. Maybe a project for the dark days of winter...
Ordered the FreeDSP cable… We shall see!
In the meantime, I found some time to look in more details at the following USB-C IEMs and cable…
Tanchjim Zero, One, and Tanya IEMs
As @staticV3 indicated, the Tanchjim Zero, One, and Tanya are recognized by the Android version of the Tanchjim App (v2.1.2). The app offers some preset EQ, plus a customizable 5-band PEQ: gain and q-factor can be adjusted graphically, frequency values can be entered manually. Pretty slick!
The app identifies the IEM name correctly and each one has its own default EQ setting.
Windows 10 appear to detect these as UAC-1 audio devices: they are limited to 24/96. Also. (typical of W10?), the "Sound Settings" does not refresh the name correctly--in my case, they all show up as “TANCHJIM-ZERO DSP”, because it’s the first I installed, but they all work fine! Looking in the USB descriptors, the vendor is listed as KTMicro, probably a KT02xx chip (http://www.ktmicro.com/?usb_73/)
On my iPhone, the Tanchjim’s work with a ddHifi TC28i adapter, but the Tanchjim iOS app does not detect them--not really surprised... It may work with an another cable/adapter but I doubt it!
EDIT: the Tanchjim One cable is removable. It’s a dual-pin, recessed on the One side, but usable on other IEMs. So, if you buy the Tanchjim One-DSP, you get a decent pair of IEMs, ear tips… and a free FreeDSP-like cable !
Fiio LS-TC1 cable (reported as DSP-enabled)
W10 also saw the Fiio LS-TC1 cable as if it was one of the Tanchjim’s--again, I installed the Tanchjim Zero first. The same KTMicro vendor is listed in the USB descriptor, so I suspect it uses the same or a similar chip as the Tanchjim's. Interestingly, the Android Tanchjim app “sees” the LS-TC1, but can’t configure it (or does not allow it...). Fiio has said in Head-Fi that the LS-TC1 has no app support. Measuring the FR would be interesting to see whether there is some preset EQ or it is just flat.
LS-TC1 works fine on Android, W10, and iOS (TC28i adapter).
Moondrop Quarks, The Droplet IEMs
They both work with Android, W10 and iPhone (TC28i adapter) but are not detected (nor listed!) by the Android Moondrop Link (v1.3.12) or Link 2.0 apps, nor the iOS Moondrop Link app. So if they are factory-programmed with a preset EQ, it does not appear to be configurable, unless the FW can be upgraded.
W10 only lists 16/48 as the sole option.
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Works with Android, W10 and iPhone (TC28i adapter). Both Moondrop Link (v1.3.12, see @Jimbob54 screenshot above) and Link 2.0 Android apps. "see" it. The apps offer a configurable 5-band PEQ. Link 2.0 screenshots:
The Link 2.0 interface is nicer than Link v1.3.12, and already lists the FreeDSP cable plus some unknown (?) USB models:
Is "CDSP" a FreeDSP-like dongle? That would be great...!!!
Is "MAY" a new CHU-2-based JIU-like USB-C/DSP IEM?
W10 offers up to 24/96 options, and the USB descriptor also shows KTMicro as the vendor--again, same or similar chip as the Tanchjim’s and Fiio LS-TC1...
I have not found any datasheets for these KT02xx chips.
In the meantime, I found some time to look in more details at the following USB-C IEMs and cable…
Tanchjim Zero, One, and Tanya IEMs
As @staticV3 indicated, the Tanchjim Zero, One, and Tanya are recognized by the Android version of the Tanchjim App (v2.1.2). The app offers some preset EQ, plus a customizable 5-band PEQ: gain and q-factor can be adjusted graphically, frequency values can be entered manually. Pretty slick!
The app identifies the IEM name correctly and each one has its own default EQ setting.
Windows 10 appear to detect these as UAC-1 audio devices: they are limited to 24/96. Also. (typical of W10?), the "Sound Settings" does not refresh the name correctly--in my case, they all show up as “TANCHJIM-ZERO DSP”, because it’s the first I installed, but they all work fine! Looking in the USB descriptors, the vendor is listed as KTMicro, probably a KT02xx chip (http://www.ktmicro.com/?usb_73/)
On my iPhone, the Tanchjim’s work with a ddHifi TC28i adapter, but the Tanchjim iOS app does not detect them--not really surprised... It may work with an another cable/adapter but I doubt it!
EDIT: the Tanchjim One cable is removable. It’s a dual-pin, recessed on the One side, but usable on other IEMs. So, if you buy the Tanchjim One-DSP, you get a decent pair of IEMs, ear tips… and a free FreeDSP-like cable !
Fiio LS-TC1 cable (reported as DSP-enabled)
W10 also saw the Fiio LS-TC1 cable as if it was one of the Tanchjim’s--again, I installed the Tanchjim Zero first. The same KTMicro vendor is listed in the USB descriptor, so I suspect it uses the same or a similar chip as the Tanchjim's. Interestingly, the Android Tanchjim app “sees” the LS-TC1, but can’t configure it (or does not allow it...). Fiio has said in Head-Fi that the LS-TC1 has no app support. Measuring the FR would be interesting to see whether there is some preset EQ or it is just flat.
LS-TC1 works fine on Android, W10, and iOS (TC28i adapter).
Moondrop Quarks, The Droplet IEMs
They both work with Android, W10 and iPhone (TC28i adapter) but are not detected (nor listed!) by the Android Moondrop Link (v1.3.12) or Link 2.0 apps, nor the iOS Moondrop Link app. So if they are factory-programmed with a preset EQ, it does not appear to be configurable, unless the FW can be upgraded.
W10 only lists 16/48 as the sole option.
Moondrop JIU
Works with Android, W10 and iPhone (TC28i adapter). Both Moondrop Link (v1.3.12, see @Jimbob54 screenshot above) and Link 2.0 Android apps. "see" it. The apps offer a configurable 5-band PEQ. Link 2.0 screenshots:
The Link 2.0 interface is nicer than Link v1.3.12, and already lists the FreeDSP cable plus some unknown (?) USB models:
Is "CDSP" a FreeDSP-like dongle? That would be great...!!!
Is "MAY" a new CHU-2-based JIU-like USB-C/DSP IEM?
W10 offers up to 24/96 options, and the USB descriptor also shows KTMicro as the vendor--again, same or similar chip as the Tanchjim’s and Fiio LS-TC1...
I have not found any datasheets for these KT02xx chips.
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Good work!
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I think CDSP is a headphone cable (as opposed to IEM) so likely usb-c to dual 3.5mm or whatever the current MD over ears take. But given their OE are planar, not sure how that is going to work for power. So maybe its another IEM cable.
They sure do like putting out new kit though.
Me too (and some spring tips to see what they are like). Thanks for the info in your post
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Im going to pass even though curious as I also like both channel balance settings and crossfeed which I get from UAPP on the phone or my RME for living room.Me too (and some spring tips to see what they are like). Thanks for the info in your post
But I feel a unit with the functionality of the Q5k but in a usb C plug type dongle might be just round the corner. And then i can maybe streamline my system (and not have to use UAPP and Tidal).
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I did too, on 19th from Shenzen Audio. Still waiting shipment from the store. Would not be surprised if it took more than a week to source.Me too (and some spring tips to see what they are like). Thanks for the info in your post
I have been wondering why the FreeDSP is an "upgrade cable" and not a USB-C / 3.5mm dongle... That sounds illogical to me. One reason might be the low power output of the KT2xx chip (assuming it's what they use on the FreeDSP, which I don't know...). A dongle can be used with headphones: much wider use and broader appeal, but also a risk for frustrated end-users if the thing cannot drive a mostly standard HP adequately. Another reason may have to do with the Link 2.0 app:
Link 2.0 has an option (still partially in Chinese in the app) to submit your PEQ take on a given IEM and, after review & approval by Moondrop, it will be shared with the entire Link community--kind of a curated PEQ library. That's a little different from other preset libraries, such as the Qudelix 5K one, which only shows PEQ profiles from known/reputable sources.
If Moondrop is successful and can motivate their customers to upload their PEQ preferences on known IEMs, particularly the Moondrop IEMs, they would get an invaluable database of their customer preferences, what sound signature they like, what they want, all based upon the IEM type and category...
Which brings me to the next point: is there a place (ASR?) for a user EQ preference "big-data" database that could be used as a link between the user/audiophile community on one hand and the research and OEMs on the other hand? If enough users load their EQ-take on a given IEM, headphone or even speaker, a manufacturer could get a good indication of what FR they should target for a given group of end-users, what distortion/resonance peak they should eliminate etc.
Is Moondrop onto something here?
Link 2.0 has an option (still partially in Chinese in the app) to submit your PEQ take on a given IEM and, after review & approval by Moondrop, it will be shared with the entire Link community--kind of a curated PEQ library. That's a little different from other preset libraries, such as the Qudelix 5K one, which only shows PEQ profiles from known/reputable sources.
If Moondrop is successful and can motivate their customers to upload their PEQ preferences on known IEMs, particularly the Moondrop IEMs, they would get an invaluable database of their customer preferences, what sound signature they like, what they want, all based upon the IEM type and category...
Which brings me to the next point: is there a place (ASR?) for a user EQ preference "big-data" database that could be used as a link between the user/audiophile community on one hand and the research and OEMs on the other hand? If enough users load their EQ-take on a given IEM, headphone or even speaker, a manufacturer could get a good indication of what FR they should target for a given group of end-users, what distortion/resonance peak they should eliminate etc.
Is Moondrop onto something here?
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I've been looking forward to something like this. But I'm pessimistic that's the scope of the EQ functionality here. I'll put my money on someone creating a github project first to that end. Cross-referencing AutoEQ could certainly lead to interesting conclusions about large scale preference, if such an effort was started.
Well, I don't really need it, but it will good to keep in my bag for long trips where the Q5K's battery life can be an issue and for plugging into my tablet which lacks a headphone socket (I don't like paring the Q5K with the tablet as it tends to connect when I don't want it to).
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