GoldenSounds passes apparently ABX test for DACs (NOT Really)

[BDWoody]

I’m sure amir does make money from his YouTube content, since it does get a significant number of views.

Being sure doesn't make you correct.

There is no monetization of the YouTube site.

Anything else?

 

[VientoB]

Being sure doesn't make you correct.

There is no monetization of the YouTube site.

Anything else?

Fair enough if there isn’t, I wasn’t aware. That doesn’t change the fact that most people will appreciate reimbursement for their time spent creating content. Granted some can afford not to be and that’s ok too.

 

[Keith_W]

People get jealous when they see people making money doing something they enjoy.

Exactly, why can't they be like the rest of us? Making money doing something we hate.

 

[Jeromeof]

Because GoldenSound is the DAC + headphone amplifier 'specialist' reviewer on headphones.com ( rather than a headphone or IEM reviewer ) - it is in his benefit and headphones.com benefit to declare differences in all DAC and headphone amplifiers he reviews, so he has 'new' content to review.

GS and especially headphones.com would not want all his reviews to say this "latest DAC sounds the same as the previous one" so don't bother spending money on it.

It is also significant financial benefit in that has even done a collab on this Ferrun Wandla - so gets paid for each model sold.

 

[VientoB]

Ok we seem to be going a bit off topic and it’s spiralling into GS hate.

 

[VientoB]

And basing your positive blind test results on pathological listening levels and repeat training on a 'tell' moment is , frankly, bullshit. It's got zero to do with what people experience in normal listening.

Well we’d need to ask him what his listening level was for this test.

 

[VientoB]

If anything good comes out of this, it'll be Chinese brands seeing it as a new challenge and optimising their filters, hopefully after addressing the hundred other more important things people have been asking for like EQ and DSP.

Thats what I’m hoping.

 

[BDWoody]

Ok we seem to be going a bit off topic and it’s spiralling into GS hate.

I wouldn't call it hate. I'd say he showed up here some time ago and took a huge piss in this pool, which some of us aren't likely to forget.

Many don't appreciate the deception and threats he has employed in the name of self promotion, and have no particular interest in giving him the benefit of any doubt.

 

[VientoB]

I wouldn't call it hate. I'd say he showed up here some time ago and took a huge piss in this pool, which some of us aren't likely to forget.

Many don't appreciate the deception and threats he has employed in the name of self promotion, and have no particular interest in sending views his way.

I don’t think any of that is for this thread.

 

[artburda]

Ok we seem to be going a bit off topic and it’s spiralling into GS hate.

Why off topic? It makes absolute sense to discuss the motivation behind the published ABX test with such a misleading title, since headphones.com sells DACs and not digital filters. And pointing out other financially motivated endeavors of his has nothing to do with golden boy hate.

 

[Sokel]

This thread would be way nicer if we stayed at the facts and measurements.
I was super interesting with people trying to explain stuff the scientific way.Cause that's ASR's strong point.
But...

 

[Keith_W]

This thread would be way nicer if we stayed at the facts and measurements.
I was super interesting with people trying to explain stuff the scientific way.Cause that's ASR's strong point.
But...

People are the equivalent of the room and badly designed hifi equipment. The signal is pure and uncorrupted until it goes through people. Then it gets mangled and distorted and what is left has the imprint of what it went through.

 

[MacClintock]

Would you say this about Amir's ASR channel for example, i.e. the purpose of it is to make money? From my understanding the purpose is to provide information and educate people.

So Cameron is there to make money off this... always seems to be seeking that next "viral" video.

You've not been here for long, so I assume you missed the part years back where Cameron threatened Amir with a false tax matter, amongst ridiculous other accusations of impropriety. It's ironic he now seeks the cashola and sponsors.


JSmith

Yes, GoldenSound is not the nicest person, but this thread is not about getting personal, it is about the results and conditions of the ABX test. "Ad hominem" arguments are usually only used if you are not able to find good arguments of the matter at stake itself. Aren´t we here a scientific forum? Let´s stick to that.

 

[MacClintock]

This thread would be way nicer if we stayed at the facts and measurements.
I was super interesting with people trying to explain stuff the scientific way.Cause that's ASR's strong point.
But...

Exactly, don´t go on the low level as your "opponent". Staying on the scientific aspect of the question would do us well.

 

[Ken Tajalli]

Yes, GoldenSound is not the nicest person, but this thread is not about getting personal, it is about the results and conditions of the ABX test. "Ad hominem" arguments are usually only used if you are not able to find good arguments of the matter at stake itself. Aren´t we here a scientific forum? Let´s stick to that.

. . . and yet, you couldn't resist getting personal by mentioning that he is not .....

 

[VientoB]

Anyway…

 

[tmtomh]

I'd rather preserve my hearing than crank my music loud enough to hear the minuscule (and not important) contents above 20khz, if it's still even there and the mastering engineer hasn't already cut a significant amount above about 16 to 17khz (let alone 20khz) to get an increase in headroom. None of this particularly matters though as Golden Sound is more than likely falsely using this as part of some justification for actually thinking some DACs sound smoother and warmer than others or whatever he peddles on his pages. I largely see him as an objectivist concern troll because of this. Technically accurate, yes. Greatly important to sound to most people? not really. If anything good comes out of this, it'll be Chinese brands seeing it as a new challenge and optimising their filters, hopefully after addressing the hundred other more important things people have been asking for like EQ and DSP.

Yep.

 

[Ken Tajalli]

I don't know if posting this link is allowed or not.
If it gets removed, then I'll know.
I took the test, and I believe I could hear differences. Closing time May 15th.

2024 "High-End" DAC Blind Listening Survey!

A blog for audiophiles about more objective topics. Measurements of audio gear. Reasonable, realistic, no snakeoil assessment of sound, and equipment.

archimago.blogspot.com

Let's keep my pref. hidden till results are known.

Spoiler: My choice

"My pref. is A - C - B but C and B being close, A clear winner.

 

[oleg87]

I don't know if posting this link is allowed or not.
If it gets removed, then I'll know.
I took the test, and I believe I could hear differences. Closing time May 15th.

2024 "High-End" DAC Blind Listening Survey!

A blog for audiophiles about more objective topics. Measurements of audio gear. Reasonable, realistic, no snakeoil assessment of sound, and equipment.

archimago.blogspot.com

What do you mean by "believe"? Did you do the Foobar ABX?

 

[amirm]

Exactly. Tedious stuff. Nobody is going to put a serious amount of work into creating YouTube content for no monetary reward.

Ahem.