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Fan-less silent PC

I didn't trust high demand integrated not to crash when running other demanding programs at the same time.
But I really wasn't up to speed on modern hardware. I hadn't looking into things since my last build 2008.
Too lazy to do a bunch of homework. LOL
My last update was in 2019 when I "upgraded" to a i7-9700T, and last year I put in a silent GPU card, but the performance improvement is barely noticeable, IMHO. It still does everything I throw at it perfectly well. I may review next year, mostly because I have fun doing it (while fending off the cat, who tries to collaborate). :-)
 
Why a fan if you can go fanless? :)

Yea, that won't work for my pc :cool:. I have a 1300w psu in my machine, to make sure it can handle the continuous power draw, and the transients. I've not seen anything with that kind of capacity that's fan less.
 
Yea, that won't work for my pc :cool:. I have a 1300w psu in my machine, to make sure it can handle the continuous power draw, and the transients. I've not seen anything with that kind of capacity that's fan less.
Indeed, I see why it wouldn't, that's a lot of Watts. I try to keep my personal workstation low power - it still does everything I throw at it very well. But that's for my personal use - semi-pro Camtasia videos productions, Photoshop and such. I am not a gamer at all, which is what tends to be the app requiring the fastest-baddest to be competitive online...
 
Integrated graphics in Intel i CPUs (even older ones) have no problem with 4k streaming. Video production @4k may be somewhat slow though.

Here's my corporate issued computer running a Youtube 4k test @60Hz (normally it'd read 12% average GPU utilization or so though). Incidentally also shows why I'd rather have 64GB on my own build. :)

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30% GPU usage on my mini computer for 4k streaming ... AMD Ryzen 7 5700U, 16 GB RAM, placed in an aluminium case (Akasa). Glued an old case fan on top which is silent from a short distance and reduces the average CPU temperature to max 60°C. Everything except for gaming, photo-/video-editing or ki-processing feels 100% as fast as my gaming pc.
 
Indeed, I see why it wouldn't, that's a lot of Watts. I try to keep my personal workstation low power - it still does everything I throw at it very well. But that's for my personal use - semi-pro Camtasia videos productions, Photoshop and such. I am not a gamer at all, which is what tends to be the app requiring the fastest-baddest to be competitive online...


I used DaVinci Resolve for video editing, and it can be exceptionally demanding. Temporal & spatial noise reduction brings just about every single GPU to it's knees.

For example just now, I applied some light temporal & spatial noise reduction to a UHD 30fps 10 bit 4:2:2 h.264 clip from my GH5. play back was only 17fps and this is what it did to my cpu and gpu (7950x & 7900 xtx).
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“The Taiko Audio Extreme is a State of the Art Music Server designed to deliver the most realistic sounding / live reproduction from stored music files and streaming music from Qobuz and Tidal.”
Is there a reason why something like this would use a dual-socket Xeon platform instead of regular desktop parts? It has flexibility in terms of networking but also adds complexity.
I saw news about this a few days ago, but not sure if it just entered the market or if it's been out for a while. Could be that the article was posted to generate clicks because of the price.
Copilot told me that the last 10-core xeon scalable was 14nm, so those are older parts. 12 RAM modules of the smallest capacity, no modern video interfaces (I know it's a server with VGA, but still).
An SSD always connects to your system via the motherboard DMI chipset. For the Extreme we are using PCIe modules, which connect directly to the CPU and bypasses the DMI. Therefore we achieve speeds up to 4x faster than SSD which results in lower latency and much lower system noise overall, giving you black backgrounds, huge space rendition and brings an ease to the musicians performance, only matched by the very best vinyl and tape playback systems.
Well, that's not true, is it? SSDs can connect to CPU PCIe lanes, my desktop computer has 24 PCIe 5.0 that can be used for all kinds of devices, including SSDs. A server CPU just has more of them.
I hope they offer the best support possible considering the price they're asking.
 
“The Taiko Audio Extreme is a State of the Art Music Server designed to deliver the most realistic sounding / live reproduction from stored music files and streaming music from Qobuz and Tidal.”
Is there a reason why something like this would use a dual-socket Xeon platform instead of regular desktop parts? It has flexibility in terms of networking but also adds complexity.
I saw news about this a few days ago, but not sure if it just entered the market or if it's been out for a while. Could be that the article was posted to generate clicks because of the price.
Copilot told me that the last 10-core xeon scalable was 14nm, so those are older parts. 12 RAM modules of the smallest capacity, no modern video interfaces (I know it's a server with VGA, but still).

Well, that's not true, is it? SSDs can connect to CPU PCIe lanes, my desktop computer has 24 PCIe 5.0 that can be used for all kinds of devices, including SSDs. A server CPU just has more of them.
I hope they offer the best support possible considering the price they're asking.
It is all complete nonsense. It can't perform audibly better than a $30 raspberry pi with competent external DAC.
 
I have at least half a dozen cheap fanless MiniPCs from Beelink and Minix that will do the job as well as this.
Definitely up there with network cables for crazy digital audio woo.
WTF.
 
“The Taiko Audio Extreme is a State of the Art Music Server designed to deliver the most realistic sounding / live reproduction from stored music files and streaming music from Qobuz and Tidal.”
Is there a reason why something like this would use a dual-socket Xeon platform instead of regular desktop parts? It has flexibility in terms of networking but also adds complexity.
I saw news about this a few days ago, but not sure if it just entered the market or if it's been out for a while. Could be that the article was posted to generate clicks because of the price.
Copilot told me that the last 10-core xeon scalable was 14nm, so those are older parts. 12 RAM modules of the smallest capacity, no modern video interfaces (I know it's a server with VGA, but still).

Well, that's not true, is it? SSDs can connect to CPU PCIe lanes, my desktop computer has 24 PCIe 5.0 that can be used for all kinds of devices, including SSDs. A server CPU just has more of them.
I hope they offer the best support possible considering the price they're asking.
It makes no sense.... a basic integrated AMD APU would do the job a heck of a lot cheaper, while probably being more powerful.... the older generation Ryzen 7's with 8 processors and the new releases will be boasting up to 16 processors....

And the entire platform on mass market motherboards, ram, drives etc.... benefitting from mass market pricing.

You can do the same thing and take a zero off the end of the pricetag.
 
I know someone who thinks that he has built the most "audiophile" PC in the world. His system consists of three PC's - each of them has its own linear PSU that he designed, and "audiophile grade" RAM, network cards, etc. all connected with ethernet cable. The first PC is the server, the second is the streamer (running Roon), the third is the renderer (running HQPlayer embedded).

I pointed out that it's the VRM's that regulate motherboard voltage. What is he going to do about the VRM's?

Not that I think that changing the VRM's would make any difference. I just wanted to provoke his anxiety ;)
 

My 2022 MeLE Fanless Mini PC Quieter2 Intel J4125 8G 256G with added 1000Gb SSD continues to work well, on 24/7 running Jriver as my music server. Customised per Archimagos' suggestions for low power consumption.​


I have additional jriver software on phone, tablet and laptop to drive it.
 
speaking of Mini-PCs.
I was thinking about getting a laptop as a backup for my PC (I work remotely) and as a means of work when I am in an Airbnb. I was never a big fan of laptops, so I wonder why I shouldn't simply get a mini-PC. Every AirBNB has a TV with HDMI.
 
was about to start my own thread as i am now looking for advice on updating my current pc.
thought it best to jump on this thread instead.

my current pc spec....
i5-3570k
hd7800 gpu
8gb ram
250gb ssd system drive
1tb hard disk storage.

my current system does everything i need but the i5 cpu will not work with W11 according to microsoft, so i am forced to upgrade. (before w10 support ends)
so, all i use this pc for is to store/play my ripped cd's (flac) and watching movies and youtube videos.
i have a 4k monitor so would like to be able to watch 4k content going forward, without the system struggling.
currently i dont stream my music, but may in future.
gave up gaming years ago and although i dont see me starting again, i could not rule it out completely. (maybe old retro games at most).
would be nice to reduce fan noise compared to my current system, but does not need to be totally silent.

just like the OP in very 1st post, i have been looking at https://www.quietpc.com/systems
i would prefer intel based system

so i have a few questions
1) will the integrated graphics cover my current needs?
2) will i need to up my current 8gb of ram to 16 or 32? and is it worth paying more for a ddr5 system (over ddr4)
3) will a 500gb system drive be fine or should i go 1tb, considering the now small price jump?
4) which cpu, should i now consider as minimum ? i5 again?
5) minimum wattage psu? is modular recommended , just in case i add a gpu in future?
6) any benefit from storage drive being ssd as my music files are stored here?


any advice would be appreciated.
ideally i would like to heep price below £1k but could go up to £1.5 , if it means greater longevity.
i know this tech moves on at an alarming rate
 
I'd get a bee-link ser8 and call it a day. Or a macmini m4. Both quiet, nice looking and trouble free.
 
was about to start my own thread as i am now looking for advice on updating my current pc.
thought it best to jump on this thread instead.

my current pc spec....
i5-3570k
hd7800 gpu
8gb ram
250gb ssd system drive
1tb hard disk storage.

my current system does everything i need but the i5 cpu will not work with W11 according to microsoft, so i am forced to upgrade. (before w10 support ends)
so, all i use this pc for is to store/play my ripped cd's (flac) and watching movies and youtube videos.
i have a 4k monitor so would like to be able to watch 4k content going forward, without the system struggling.
currently i dont stream my music, but may in future.
gave up gaming years ago and although i dont see me starting again, i could not rule it out completely. (maybe old retro games at most).
would be nice to reduce fan noise compared to my current system, but does not need to be totally silent.

just like the OP in very 1st post, i have been looking at https://www.quietpc.com/systems
i would prefer intel based system

so i have a few questions
1) will the integrated graphics cover my current needs?
2) will i need to up my current 8gb of ram to 16 or 32? and is it worth paying more for a ddr5 system (over ddr4)
3) will a 500gb system drive be fine or should i go 1tb, considering the now small price jump?
4) which cpu, should i now consider as minimum ? i5 again?
5) minimum wattage psu? is modular recommended , just in case i add a gpu in future?
6) any benefit from storage drive being ssd as my music files are stored here?


any advice would be appreciated.
ideally i would like to heep price below £1k but could go up to £1.5 , if it means greater longevity.
i know this tech moves on at an alarming rate
1) Yes but with restrictions -4k@60hz , old version hdmi.
2)Yes but again with restrictions ,8gb is on the edge. ddr4 is fine,ddr5 better.
3) Yes
4)Yes, i5 is OK.
5)600-700w, good psu usually is modular or semi modular.
6)In year of 2025 spinning drives have no place in consumer devices, ssd all the way.
 
How much storage needed? SER8 has 2 internal nvme slots, one can be for Windows/Linux, the second can be 2-4-8TB for music/films and stuff. If that's not enough, get a external drive. Plus, it's powerful enough to play light games and it's definitely quiet, I bought one for a friend and I can't really hear it unless benchmarking and even then, it's much less than I expected
 

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3.5GHz Intel 14th Gen Core i3 14100 4C/8T 60W 5MB Raptor Lake CPU ?
- £114.50

2.5GHz Intel 13th Gen Core i5 13400 10C/16T 65W 20MB Raptor Lake CPU ?
- £29.40

2.6GHz Intel 14th Gen Core i5 14500 14C/20T 65W 36MB Raptor Lake CPU ?
Selected

1.7GHz Intel 14th Gen Core i5 14500T 14C/20T 35W 36MB Raptor Lake CPU ?
+ £12.60

2.1GHz Intel 14th Gen Core i7 14700 20C/28T 65W 28MB Raptor Lake CPU ?
+ £87.90

1.1GHz Intel 14th Gen Core i9 14900T 24C/32T 35W 32MB Raptor Lake CPU ?
+ £330.20

2.0GHz Intel 14th Gen Core i9 14900 24C/32T 65W 32MB Raptor Lake CPU ?
+ £335.30

looking at these cpu options is there any benefit upgrading from the 14500 to the 14500T ?
i see it uses less power but also runs at lower clock speed
 
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