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Does anyone else like FM?

No, no preamp in most components sold as tuners -- it is just a tuner with (fixed level) outputs. Some have variable output level, but it's not really meant to be used routinely as a volume control. A preamp, integrated amp, or receiver is needed for almost all tuners.

There have been, and still are, preamps with built in tuners; quality and price vary widely -- and wildly. ;)
Some (a few) receiver's had the same great tuner that a company sold as just a tuner, also.
If you do not have a separate integrated amp or preamp/amp, then a receiver with a good tuner is a good idea.
But more difficult to find (and, many times, will need some refurbishing).
 
No, no preamp in most components sold as tuners -- it is just a tuner with (fixed level) outputs. Some have variable output level, but it's not really meant to be used routinely as a volume control. A preamp, integrated amp, or receiver is needed for almost all tuners.

There have been, and still are, preamps with built in tuners; quality and price vary widely -- and wildly. ;)
I didn't mean a component tuner with variable output or volume control. I want fixed output. But wouldn't a component tuner with no preamp have a very low output too low for the inputs on the receiver?. I think most my line level inputs are 500 mv which seems like preamp level to me.

In my receiver's specs the analog input sensitivity is 500 mv. Isn't that preamp output level and my analog inputs aren't going through my receivers preamp just the volume and tone controls?
 
Dang those tuner specs seem near top of the line and way better than the Sony I'm using.

I'm getting such great reception today with the super duper rabbit ears even with my pedestrian tuner :D. I'm even pulling in stereo from the furthest station 20 miles away. I think short of an extraordinary situation such as my occasional interference, rabbit ears are great FM antennas. They kind have an obtrusive shape and stick out like rabbit ears :p, but most of us FM types don't mind the look of gear and of course stuffing them in the attic above the tuner would put them out of sight and boost performance.
I just leave them collapsed until I want to listen to FM. I really only listen to one station, so I know roughly the two need to be oriented. Orientation changes a little each day anyways so leaving them up when not in use doesn't really gain me anything besides a couple big dipoles sticking up in the room......
 
I just leave them collapsed until I want to listen to FM. I really only listen to one station, so I know roughly the two need to be oriented. Orientation changes a little each day anyways so leaving them up when not in use doesn't really gain me anything besides a couple big dipoles sticking up in the room......
Yeah I know the RCA rabbit ears I got will folded down to practically nothing when not in use.

I use it as a dedicated FM antenna for most of my audio listening at home, so I keep it fixed adjusted and positioned to where works the best I found so far for all my channels on average without further antenna adjustment. I'm treating the rabbit years like how I did for TV back in the day, leave it fixed unless I run into really bad reception problems for something I want to watch :D.
 
I didn't mean a component tuner with variable output or volume control. I want fixed output. But wouldn't a component tuner with no preamp have a very low output too low for the inputs on the receiver?. I think most my line level inputs are 500 mv which seems like preamp level to me.

In my receiver's specs the analog input sensitivity is 500 mv. Isn't that preamp output level and my analog inputs aren't going through my receivers preamp just the volume and tone controls?
OK, I'm going to give you a list: From this list, if you have any HD stations in your area (you most likely do) you should choose a tuner from the section of the list that says:
Tuners with Post-Detection Filters (it tells you why in the text by it) (you can plug it into any input but phono most likely)
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Don's List Lab
This page is intended as a place to put simple lists of tuners that have one particular feature or another. We'll need input from readers to make the lists as comprehensive as possible. Please post additions to existing lists, or suggestions for new lists, in our FMtuners group. Tuners don't have to have TIC writeups in order to be listed here. We've renamed the page in honor of our contributor Don W., the most prolific creator of list topics.
MPX Decoder ICs
Don writes, "I have always wanted to see a list of tuners which have certain MPX decoder ICs. The 'big 3' I would like to see are the Sanyo LA3450 and National LM4500 (because of their unique decode waveforms), and the Hitachi HA11223 (near universal praise as capable of excellent sound). I have compiled my own list, but I can't be sure it's completely correct." We've since added more tuners to Don's lists with help from Don and our panelists JohnC and Ray, and many other contributors . If you can give us a hand and help us expand the lists further, let us know.
Tuners with Sanyo LA3450:
Classé CT-10 and Tuner-1
Denon TU-800
Harman/Kardon TU9600
JVC FX-1010TN and FX-1100BK
Kenwood KT-6040 and KT-6050
Marantz ST-50
NEC T-710
Onkyo T-4670 and T-4700
Parasound Halo T3
Sansui TU-X701 and TU-X711
Sony ST-S333ESG, ST-S333ESXII, ST-S700ES, ST-S730ES, ST-S770ES and ST-SA5ES
TEAC T-R670
Yamaha TX-900, TX-930 and TX-950
Tuners with National LM4500:
B&K TS-108
Fanfare FT-1
Hafler Iris
Magnum Dynalab FT-11 and FT-101A (some versions of each)
McIntosh MR 80
Meridian 504
Quad FM4*
*Our contributor Esmond says the Quad FM4 uses the Philips TCA4500, which appears to be identical to the LM4500. He believes that later Quad tuners also use it.
Our contributor Paul Baptista says the Arcam Delta 80 and Telefunken RT200 (whatever those are) use the TCA4500A, the Motorola and Siemens part number for the LM4500A.
Tuners with Hitachi HA11223 or HA11223W:
Accuphase T-105
Aiwa AT-9700U
Crown FM2
Denon TU-600, TU-630, TU-767, TU-850 and TU-900
Heathkit AJ-1600
Hitachi FT-8000
Kenwood KT-9X and KT-9XG, KT-727, KT-815, KT-917, L-01T and L-07TII
Kenwood KT-1000 (has chip, but discrete implementation?)
Kenwood L-07T (we have a discrepancy: HA11223 or HA1156?)
Luxman T-12
NEC/Curtis Mathes AUT-8300E
Nikko Gamma I and Gamma V
Onkyo T-909
Optonica ST-7405
Rotel RT-2100
Sansui TU-519, TU-719, TU-919, TU-S9 and TU-X1
Sony ST-J75 and ST-J88B
Sumo Charlie
TEAC TX-500
The above are Don's original "Big 3" MPX decoder ICs. Below are lists of tuners with others, by manufacturer and in numerical order.
Hitachi HA1156:
Hitachi FT-920
Kenwood 600T, KT-5300 and KT-8007 (but Don notes that the KT-8007 has a discrete MPX decoder and uses the HA1156 only to generate 38k switching signals)
Kenwood L-07T (we have a discrepancy: HA1156 or HA11223?)
Optonica ST-3535
Pioneer TX-5500, TX-7500 and TX-9500
Sony ST-5950SD and ST-A7
Hitachi HA1196:
Amber 7
Hitachi FT-5000
Kenwood KT-7500
Mitsubishi DA-F20
Nakamichi 430
Onkyo T-4057
Pioneer TX-6500II
Sansui TU-217, TU-317, TU-417, TU-517, TU-717, TU-5900 and TU-X301
Sanyo Plus T55
Hitachi HA12016:
Hafler DH-330
Kenwood KT-80
Onkyo T-4017 and T-9060
Hitachi HA12031:
Kyocera T-910
NEC uPC1161C:
Onkyo T-4120
Sansui T-60 and T-80
Technics ST-S6, ST-S7 and ST-S8
NEC uPC1223:
Hitachi FT-007 and FT-5500MKII
JVC T-X900
Kenwood Basic T2
Onkyo T-4087 and T-9090II
Sony ST-S555ES
Panasonic AN363:
Technics ST-8044, ST-8077, ST-8080, ST-9030, ST-9038 and ST-C03
Panasonic AN7470:
Onkyo T-401, T-4040 (we have a discrepancy: AN7470 or LA3350?), T-4310R
Pioneer PA1001-A:
Paul Baptista tells us that this chip was also known as the Toko KB4437.:
Harman/Kardon HK-715, TU615 and 680i receiver
Marantz ST-54
Mitsubishi DA-F30 and DA-R20 receiver
Philips AH180
Pioneer TX-6800, TX-9500II and TX-9800, and SX-580, SX-1080 and SX-1280 receivers
Sony ST-J55 and ST-J60
Sanyo LA3350:
Akai AT-2600
Fisher FM-2310 Studio Standard
Kenwood Basic T1
Onkyo T-4040 (we have a discrepancy: LA3350 or AN7470?)
Toshiba ST-420
Yamaha T-2
Yamaha CR-840 receiver
Sanyo LA3380:
Akai AT-S55 and AT-V04
Yamaha T-70
Sanyo LA3401:
Accuphase T-109
AMC T7 and T7A
Carver TX-11a and TX-11b
Denon TU-380RD, TU-460, TU-650RD and TU-660
Harman/Kardon Citation 23
Kenwood KT-880D, KT-3050 and KT-5020
Marantz ST6000
NAD 4300
Onkyo T-407, T-450RDS and T-4500
Sony ST-S550ES and ST-SA50ES
Soundstream T1
Yamaha TX-350, TX-480, TX-492 and TX-550
Sanyo LA3410:
Harman/Kardon TU911 and TU912
Marantz ST-17
Marantz ST-53
Proton AT-670
Sansui TU-X501
PLL tuners with oscilloscope outputs
Our contributor Peter provides the start of this Eurocentric list, which obviously needs to be more fully populated:
ASC AS3100 - 1980 or 1981
Crown FM1 - 1979
Kenwood KT-1100SD - 1985
Kenwood KT-3300D - 1987
Kenwood L-1000T - 1991
Kucke KST22 - 1980 or 1981 (same as ASC AS3100)
Nikko Gamma V - 1978
Onkyo T-909 - 1979
Onkyo T-9900 (T-9090) - 1984
Onkyo T-9990 (T-9090II) - 1988
Optonica ST-9100 - 1980
Revox B760 - 1977
Scott 433 - 1970
Scott T33S - 1972
Technics ST-9038 - 1979
Tuners with remote controls
Don's back with the start of another list. We've made some additions but there are surely many more.
Accuphase T-1000
Burmester 978
Carver TX-8R and TX-12
Denon TU-680NAB and TU-1500RD
Harman/Kardon Citation 23
Kenwood L-1000T
Marantz ST-17
Meridian 504
Mission Cyrus T (second generation)
Myryad Z130
NAD S400
Onkyo T-4700, T-4711 and T-9090II
Parasound TDQ-150 and T/DQ-1600
Revox B160, B260 and B261
Roksan Caspian
Rotel RHT-10 and RT-990BX
Sony ST-SA5ES and ST-SA50ES
Sony XDR-F1HD
Tandberg TPT 4031
Technics ST-G90 (some versions)
Yamaha TX-930, TX-950, TX-1000 and TX-2000
Tuners with three or more IF bandwidths
Here's another good list suggestion from Don. The benefits of having wide and narrow IF bandwidths in a tuner are fairly basic: wider filters tend to produce the best audio quality, while narrower filters improve rejection of adjacent-channel interference. Three bandwidth settings, with intelligently chosen filters, can provide even greater flexibility for audiophiles and DXers alike. Only the T-85, to our knowledge, has four IF bandwidths.
Denon TU-800
Kenwood 600T and KT-917
McIntosh MR 78
Onkyo Grand Integra T-G10, T-9090 and T-9090II
Tandberg 3001 and 3001A
Yamaha T-85 and TX-900
Tuners that have MPX implemented using discrete transistors (solid state) instead of an integrated circuit
Thanks to our contributor Paul for the idea. There should be other tuners in this list, but here are a few to start with:
Kenwood 600T
Kenwood KT-7000, KT-7001, KT-8005, KT-8007 and KT-8300
Sansui TU-9900
Tandberg 3001 and 3001A
Yamaha CT-7000, T-70 and T-80(?)
Don notes: "Here's the tricky part: Some tuner designs have a MPX chip that is used to generate a 38 kHz clock locked to the 19 kHz pilot tone. The actual MPX decoding is then done by external circuitry. (At least that is my understanding.) My impression is that the T-70 falls into this category. Bob says: 'The KT-8007 uses an outboard MPX switching scheme very similar to the KT-8300. If working correctly, you should see 38 kHz square waves coming out of pins 4 and 5 when a 19 kHz pilot is present on the input.' I take this to mean that both these Kenwoods do the MPX decoding in discrete circuitry outside of the MPX chip."
Our panelist Bob confirms: "That's right, you can have:
1) Fully discrete, no chips - older tube and solid-state tuners, mostly designed before 1975
2) Hybrid - MPX chip with outboard switching
3) Dedicated single MPX chip does all decoding - most solid-state tuners
4) MPX decoding using multiple chips and or discrete components together in an advanced modern design, in many (but not all) cases using pure sine wave decoding
In category 2 are many high-end tuners, including the KT-8007, KT-8300, 600T, TU-9900, T-70, and I think the Yamaha T-80 also. In category 4 you have the Yamaha T-85 and TX-1000/2000, Rotel RHT-10, most high-end digital Pioneers like the F-9, F-90 and F-99X, the Sansui TU-D99X, and most top-model digital Kenwoods."
Tuners with Post-Detection Filters
Our contributor Brian Beezley points out that tuners with post-detection filters should be immune to HD Radio self-noise. Here are a few:
ADS T2 Atelier
Aiwa AT-9700
Akai AT-93, AT-K03, AT-S55, AT-V04
AMC T7
Arcam Alpha 5 Plus, Alpha 7, Alpha 8, T21, T51
Audiolab 8000T
Carver TX-11
Day Sequerra FMR 25
Denon TU-600, TU-650RD, TU-660, TU-680NAB, TU-767, TU-800, TU-1500RD, UTU-F10
Dynaco AF-6
Heathkit AJ-15
Hitachi FT-007, FT-3500, FT-4400, FT-5500MKII, FT-8000
Kenwood 600T, Basic T2, KT-9XG, KT-80, KT-615, KT-770, KT-815, KT-880D, KT-900, KT-917, KT-1000, KT-1100, KT-3050, KT-5020, KT-6040, KT-6050, L-01T, L-02T, L-07TII
Klein + Hummel FM 2002
KLH Eighteen
Luxman T-117, T-230, T-240, T-400, TX-101
Marantz 2130, ST-8, ST-17, ST551
McIntosh MR 71, MR 73, MR74, MR 77, MR 78
NAD 4155, 4300
Onkyo T-35, T-407, T-450RDS, T-909, T-4017, T-4057, T-4087, T-4150, T-4500, T-4700, T-4711, T-9060, T-9090, T-9090II, T-G10
Phase Linear T 5200
Philips AH180, FT930
Pioneer F-9, F-X700, TX-05, TX-950, TX-8500II, TX-9100
Quad FM3
Revox B160, B260, B260-S, B261, B760, H6
Rotel RHT10, RT-830A, RT-850, RT-850A, RT-870, RT-940AX, RT-950BX, RT-955, RT-970BX, RT-990BX, RT-1080
Sansui TU-517, TU-717, TU-719, TU-919, TU-7900, TU-S5, TU-S9, TU-S55X, TU-X1
Sony ST-J55, ST-J75, ST-S555ES
Sumo Charlie
TAG McLaren T32R
Technics ST-G7
Tuners with FM deviation meters
Here's a new list idea from our contributor Eli. We've just started this one so please post in our FMtuners group if you have any additions to the list.
Accuphase T-105
Akai AT-2600
Fisher FM-2310
Kenwood 600T, 650T, KT-917, KT-6007, KT-8007 and KT-8300
 
OK, I'm going to give you a list: From this list, if you have any HD stations in your area (you most likely do) you should choose a tuner from the section of the list that says:
Tuners with Post-Detection Filters (it tells you why in the text by it) (you can plug it into any input but phono most likely)
Copyright ©2001-2025 Tuner Information Center. Permission is hereby granted to quote our text so long as proper credit is given. eBay listings that quote us incorrectly or without credit may be terminated without notice.This site contains affiliate links for which we may be compensated.


Don's List Lab
This page is intended as a place to put simple lists of tuners that have one particular feature or another. We'll need input from readers to make the lists as comprehensive as possible. Please post additions to existing lists, or suggestions for new lists, in our FMtuners group. Tuners don't have to have TIC writeups in order to be listed here. We've renamed the page in honor of our contributor Don W., the most prolific creator of list topics.
MPX Decoder ICs
Don writes, "I have always wanted to see a list of tuners which have certain MPX decoder ICs. The 'big 3' I would like to see are the Sanyo LA3450 and National LM4500 (because of their unique decode waveforms), and the Hitachi HA11223 (near universal praise as capable of excellent sound). I have compiled my own list, but I can't be sure it's completely correct." We've since added more tuners to Don's lists with help from Don and our panelists JohnC and Ray, and many other contributors . If you can give us a hand and help us expand the lists further, let us know.
Tuners with Sanyo LA3450:
Classé CT-10 and Tuner-1
Denon TU-800
Harman/Kardon TU9600
JVC FX-1010TN and FX-1100BK
Kenwood KT-6040 and KT-6050
Marantz ST-50
NEC T-710
Onkyo T-4670 and T-4700
Parasound Halo T3
Sansui TU-X701 and TU-X711
Sony ST-S333ESG, ST-S333ESXII, ST-S700ES, ST-S730ES, ST-S770ES and ST-SA5ES
TEAC T-R670
Yamaha TX-900, TX-930 and TX-950
Tuners with National LM4500:
B&K TS-108
Fanfare FT-1
Hafler Iris
Magnum Dynalab FT-11 and FT-101A (some versions of each)
McIntosh MR 80
Meridian 504
Quad FM4*
*Our contributor Esmond says the Quad FM4 uses the Philips TCA4500, which appears to be identical to the LM4500. He believes that later Quad tuners also use it.
Our contributor Paul Baptista says the Arcam Delta 80 and Telefunken RT200 (whatever those are) use the TCA4500A, the Motorola and Siemens part number for the LM4500A.
Tuners with Hitachi HA11223 or HA11223W:
Accuphase T-105
Aiwa AT-9700U
Crown FM2
Denon TU-600, TU-630, TU-767, TU-850 and TU-900
Heathkit AJ-1600
Hitachi FT-8000
Kenwood KT-9X and KT-9XG, KT-727, KT-815, KT-917, L-01T and L-07TII
Kenwood KT-1000 (has chip, but discrete implementation?)
Kenwood L-07T (we have a discrepancy: HA11223 or HA1156?)
Luxman T-12
NEC/Curtis Mathes AUT-8300E
Nikko Gamma I and Gamma V
Onkyo T-909
Optonica ST-7405
Rotel RT-2100
Sansui TU-519, TU-719, TU-919, TU-S9 and TU-X1
Sony ST-J75 and ST-J88B
Sumo Charlie
TEAC TX-500
The above are Don's original "Big 3" MPX decoder ICs. Below are lists of tuners with others, by manufacturer and in numerical order.
Hitachi HA1156:
Hitachi FT-920
Kenwood 600T, KT-5300 and KT-8007 (but Don notes that the KT-8007 has a discrete MPX decoder and uses the HA1156 only to generate 38k switching signals)
Kenwood L-07T (we have a discrepancy: HA1156 or HA11223?)
Optonica ST-3535
Pioneer TX-5500, TX-7500 and TX-9500
Sony ST-5950SD and ST-A7
Hitachi HA1196:
Amber 7
Hitachi FT-5000
Kenwood KT-7500
Mitsubishi DA-F20
Nakamichi 430
Onkyo T-4057
Pioneer TX-6500II
Sansui TU-217, TU-317, TU-417, TU-517, TU-717, TU-5900 and TU-X301
Sanyo Plus T55
Hitachi HA12016:
Hafler DH-330
Kenwood KT-80
Onkyo T-4017 and T-9060
Hitachi HA12031:
Kyocera T-910
NEC uPC1161C:
Onkyo T-4120
Sansui T-60 and T-80
Technics ST-S6, ST-S7 and ST-S8
NEC uPC1223:
Hitachi FT-007 and FT-5500MKII
JVC T-X900
Kenwood Basic T2
Onkyo T-4087 and T-9090II
Sony ST-S555ES
Panasonic AN363:
Technics ST-8044, ST-8077, ST-8080, ST-9030, ST-9038 and ST-C03
Panasonic AN7470:
Onkyo T-401, T-4040 (we have a discrepancy: AN7470 or LA3350?), T-4310R
Pioneer PA1001-A:
Paul Baptista tells us that this chip was also known as the Toko KB4437.:
Harman/Kardon HK-715, TU615 and 680i receiver
Marantz ST-54
Mitsubishi DA-F30 and DA-R20 receiver
Philips AH180
Pioneer TX-6800, TX-9500II and TX-9800, and SX-580, SX-1080 and SX-1280 receivers
Sony ST-J55 and ST-J60
Sanyo LA3350:
Akai AT-2600
Fisher FM-2310 Studio Standard
Kenwood Basic T1
Onkyo T-4040 (we have a discrepancy: LA3350 or AN7470?)
Toshiba ST-420
Yamaha T-2
Yamaha CR-840 receiver
Sanyo LA3380:
Akai AT-S55 and AT-V04
Yamaha T-70
Sanyo LA3401:
Accuphase T-109
AMC T7 and T7A
Carver TX-11a and TX-11b
Denon TU-380RD, TU-460, TU-650RD and TU-660
Harman/Kardon Citation 23
Kenwood KT-880D, KT-3050 and KT-5020
Marantz ST6000
NAD 4300
Onkyo T-407, T-450RDS and T-4500
Sony ST-S550ES and ST-SA50ES
Soundstream T1
Yamaha TX-350, TX-480, TX-492 and TX-550
Sanyo LA3410:
Harman/Kardon TU911 and TU912
Marantz ST-17
Marantz ST-53
Proton AT-670
Sansui TU-X501
PLL tuners with oscilloscope outputs
Our contributor Peter provides the start of this Eurocentric list, which obviously needs to be more fully populated:
ASC AS3100 - 1980 or 1981
Crown FM1 - 1979
Kenwood KT-1100SD - 1985
Kenwood KT-3300D - 1987
Kenwood L-1000T - 1991
Kucke KST22 - 1980 or 1981 (same as ASC AS3100)
Nikko Gamma V - 1978
Onkyo T-909 - 1979
Onkyo T-9900 (T-9090) - 1984
Onkyo T-9990 (T-9090II) - 1988
Optonica ST-9100 - 1980
Revox B760 - 1977
Scott 433 - 1970
Scott T33S - 1972
Technics ST-9038 - 1979
Tuners with remote controls
Don's back with the start of another list. We've made some additions but there are surely many more.
Accuphase T-1000
Burmester 978
Carver TX-8R and TX-12
Denon TU-680NAB and TU-1500RD
Harman/Kardon Citation 23
Kenwood L-1000T
Marantz ST-17
Meridian 504
Mission Cyrus T (second generation)
Myryad Z130
NAD S400
Onkyo T-4700, T-4711 and T-9090II
Parasound TDQ-150 and T/DQ-1600
Revox B160, B260 and B261
Roksan Caspian
Rotel RHT-10 and RT-990BX
Sony ST-SA5ES and ST-SA50ES
Sony XDR-F1HD
Tandberg TPT 4031
Technics ST-G90 (some versions)
Yamaha TX-930, TX-950, TX-1000 and TX-2000
Tuners with three or more IF bandwidths
Here's another good list suggestion from Don. The benefits of having wide and narrow IF bandwidths in a tuner are fairly basic: wider filters tend to produce the best audio quality, while narrower filters improve rejection of adjacent-channel interference. Three bandwidth settings, with intelligently chosen filters, can provide even greater flexibility for audiophiles and DXers alike. Only the T-85, to our knowledge, has four IF bandwidths.
Denon TU-800
Kenwood 600T and KT-917
McIntosh MR 78
Onkyo Grand Integra T-G10, T-9090 and T-9090II
Tandberg 3001 and 3001A
Yamaha T-85 and TX-900
Tuners that have MPX implemented using discrete transistors (solid state) instead of an integrated circuit
Thanks to our contributor Paul for the idea. There should be other tuners in this list, but here are a few to start with:
Kenwood 600T
Kenwood KT-7000, KT-7001, KT-8005, KT-8007 and KT-8300
Sansui TU-9900
Tandberg 3001 and 3001A
Yamaha CT-7000, T-70 and T-80(?)
Don notes: "Here's the tricky part: Some tuner designs have a MPX chip that is used to generate a 38 kHz clock locked to the 19 kHz pilot tone. The actual MPX decoding is then done by external circuitry. (At least that is my understanding.) My impression is that the T-70 falls into this category. Bob says: 'The KT-8007 uses an outboard MPX switching scheme very similar to the KT-8300. If working correctly, you should see 38 kHz square waves coming out of pins 4 and 5 when a 19 kHz pilot is present on the input.' I take this to mean that both these Kenwoods do the MPX decoding in discrete circuitry outside of the MPX chip."
Our panelist Bob confirms: "That's right, you can have:
1) Fully discrete, no chips - older tube and solid-state tuners, mostly designed before 1975
2) Hybrid - MPX chip with outboard switching
3) Dedicated single MPX chip does all decoding - most solid-state tuners
4) MPX decoding using multiple chips and or discrete components together in an advanced modern design, in many (but not all) cases using pure sine wave decoding
In category 2 are many high-end tuners, including the KT-8007, KT-8300, 600T, TU-9900, T-70, and I think the Yamaha T-80 also. In category 4 you have the Yamaha T-85 and TX-1000/2000, Rotel RHT-10, most high-end digital Pioneers like the F-9, F-90 and F-99X, the Sansui TU-D99X, and most top-model digital Kenwoods."
Tuners with Post-Detection Filters
Our contributor Brian Beezley points out that tuners with post-detection filters should be immune to HD Radio self-noise. Here are a few:
ADS T2 Atelier
Aiwa AT-9700
Akai AT-93, AT-K03, AT-S55, AT-V04
AMC T7
Arcam Alpha 5 Plus, Alpha 7, Alpha 8, T21, T51
Audiolab 8000T
Carver TX-11
Day Sequerra FMR 25
Denon TU-600, TU-650RD, TU-660, TU-680NAB, TU-767, TU-800, TU-1500RD, UTU-F10
Dynaco AF-6
Heathkit AJ-15
Hitachi FT-007, FT-3500, FT-4400, FT-5500MKII, FT-8000
Kenwood 600T, Basic T2, KT-9XG, KT-80, KT-615, KT-770, KT-815, KT-880D, KT-900, KT-917, KT-1000, KT-1100, KT-3050, KT-5020, KT-6040, KT-6050, L-01T, L-02T, L-07TII
Klein + Hummel FM 2002
KLH Eighteen
Luxman T-117, T-230, T-240, T-400, TX-101
Marantz 2130, ST-8, ST-17, ST551
McIntosh MR 71, MR 73, MR74, MR 77, MR 78
NAD 4155, 4300
Onkyo T-35, T-407, T-450RDS, T-909, T-4017, T-4057, T-4087, T-4150, T-4500, T-4700, T-4711, T-9060, T-9090, T-9090II, T-G10
Phase Linear T 5200
Philips AH180, FT930
Pioneer F-9, F-X700, TX-05, TX-950, TX-8500II, TX-9100
Quad FM3
Revox B160, B260, B260-S, B261, B760, H6
Rotel RHT10, RT-830A, RT-850, RT-850A, RT-870, RT-940AX, RT-950BX, RT-955, RT-970BX, RT-990BX, RT-1080
Sansui TU-517, TU-717, TU-719, TU-919, TU-7900, TU-S5, TU-S9, TU-S55X, TU-X1
Sony ST-J55, ST-J75, ST-S555ES
Sumo Charlie
TAG McLaren T32R
Technics ST-G7
Tuners with FM deviation meters
Here's a new list idea from our contributor Eli. We've just started this one so please post in our FMtuners group if you have any additions to the list.
Accuphase T-105
Akai AT-2600
Fisher FM-2310
Kenwood 600T, 650T, KT-917, KT-6007, KT-8007 and KT-8300
Just a fun historical/hysterical thing: the SUMO Charlie is the second iteration of one made previously by G.A.S. (Great American Sound) that was named Charlie the TUNER.
 
OK, I'm going to give you a list: From this list, if you have any HD stations in your area (you most likely do) you should choose a tuner from the section of the list that says:
Tuners with Post-Detection Filters (it tells you why in the text by it) (you can plug it into any input but phono most likely)
Thanks for the tuner list. I do have at least 2 or 3 HD stations so would want post detection filtering ideally or some kind of HD filtering.
 
Thanks for the tuner list. I do have at least 2 or 3 HD stations so would want post detection filtering ideally or some kind of HD filtering.
Post detection filtering works the best.

HD Radio Self-Noise​

You arrive home from a long day at work, flip on the classic stereo system you've spent nights and weekends restoring to perfection, and tune to an FM broadcast of a live local concert. As you settle back to enjoy it, you notice something peculiar. The normally pristine audio from a station that prides itself on a high-quality signal has an annoying background noise. You check your directional rooftop antenna, but it's aimed right at the station not more than ten miles away. Your tuner's signal-strength meter is pegged to the right, as usual. What gives? Then you vaguely recall an announcement that the station soon would begin transmitting HD Radio.

HD Radio Signals​

In its current hybrid implementation, HD Radio adds digital sidebands to an analog FM signal. The sidebands consist of hundreds of digital subcarriers that occupy spectrum 129 to 198 kHz each side of channel center. Extended hybrid mode MP3 adds more subcarriers down to 116 kHz. The FCC originally authorized total sideband power at 20 dB below the analog carrier level, or −20 dBc. Later it authorized levels of −14 dBc for most stations and −10 dBc with special permission.

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This is the RF spectrum of an HD Radio signal with digital sidebands at −20 dBc. The horizontal scale is 50 kHz per division and the vertical scale is 10 dB per division.

Although the digital sidebands occupy spectrum beyond the normal bandwidth of an analog signal, they remain outside the receive passband of other channels that may be locally allocated. But they can interfere with reception of a distant station on an adjacent channel 200 kHz away. FCC rules do not protect long-distance reception from interference.

An HD Radio station's digital sidebands can interfere with reception of its own analog signal in two ways. First, FM detection can generate intermodulation products between the digital sidebands and the analog modulation. Dave Hershberger analyzes this issue here. Interference also can occur when the stereo decoder demodulates the digital sidebands along with the L−R signal. This form of HD Radio self-noise is the subject of this article.

Squarewave Stereo Decoding​

A stereo encoder lowpass-filters the left and right audio channels to 15 kHz and adds them to form the L+R signal. It subtracts them to get L−R and amplitude modulates this signal onto a 38 kHz subcarrier. The encoder suppresses the subcarrier and replaces it with a phase-coherent 19 kHz pilot. It combines these signals to form a composite signal with L+R to 15 kHz, pilot at 19 kHz, and L−R from 23 to 53 kHz. The composite signal frequency-modulates the RF carrier.

To recover the left and right channels, a receiver detects the FM signal and passes the composite signal to the stereo decoder. The decoder phase-locks a 38 kHz oscillator to the 19 kHz pilot, demodulates the L−R signal with the oscillator, and adds and subtracts L+R and L−R to get L and R. Filters eliminate everything above 15 kHz.

An ideal way to demodulate the L−R signal is with a product detector. Multiplying the composite signal by a 38 kHz sine wave phase-locked to the 19 kHz pilot yields L−R at baseband plus ultrasonic products that are filtered away. This demodulator has no inherent spurious responses. Practical issues include linearity, temperature stability, sinewave purity, complexity, and cost.

IC stereo decoders instead use synchronous signal inversion. The composite signal is unaltered then inverted at a 38 kHz rate synchronized to the 19 kHz pilot. Constant amplitude eliminates the need for an analog multiplier. In effect this approach multiplies the composite signal by a 38 kHz square wave with amplitude levels of +1 and −1. A square wave contains odd harmonics of the fundamental frequency, in particular the third at 114 kHz and the fifth at 190 kHz. But since the transmitted stereo composite signal has no components near these frequencies, it decodes like a product detector.

The problem with squarewave decoding is that HD Radio signals have power near 190 kHz after FM detection. Extended hybrid signals have additional power near 114 kHz. When the squarewave harmonics demodulate this power to baseband, audio noise results.

Special Stereo Decoders​

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Product Detector Despite its cost and complexity, a few high-end tuners use a product detector. This Kenwood L-1000T circuit uses a Motorola MC1594 four-quadrant multiplier and many other parts.

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Harmonic Canceller A switched, multilevel waveform can eliminate one or more squarewave harmonics without resorting to sinewave multiplication. The four-level Walsh function waveform shown above, generated by a discrete Sansui stereo decoder, has no third or fifth harmonic. The seventh harmonic at 266 kHz is beyond the spectrum of detected HD Radio sidebands.

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Digital Direct Decoder Pioneer's patented decoder uses two proprietary ICs and includes a pulse-count FM detector. Reversing roles, the binary composite signal passes or inverts a 38 kHz sine wave locked to the 19 kHz pilot. Since the pulse rate is above 1 MHz, spurious responses lie well beyond the spectrum of detected HD Radio sidebands. The multiplication circuits are analog switches, not four-quadrant multipliers.

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Digital Signal Processing When the composite signal is decoded with DSP, anti-alias filtering and stereo decoding by numerical product detection can reject detected HD Radio sidebands.

Noise Level​

The HD Radio self-noise level depends on the service mode, digital sideband level, receiver IF bandwidth, postdetection filter, and stereo decoder. For a receiver with two wideband ceramic IF filters, no postdetection filter, and squarewave stereo decoder, HD Radio self-noise for MP1 hybrid mode at −20 dBc is roughly 50 dB below the level of a 100%-modulated, 1 kHz sine wave. It is down about 44 dB for extended hybrid mode MP3. These noise levels increase in direct proportion to the digital sideband level.

HD Radio self-noise is particularly audible in speech and during quiet passages in music. I've measured program levels as low as 25 dB below a 100%-modulated, 1 kHz sine wave in classical music. S/N for these passages may be just 50 − 25 = 25 dB for MP1 mode at −20 dBc. This explains why I've found signals with HD Radio self-noise unlistenable on every tuner I've tried that lacked a special stereo decoder, narrow IF filter, or postdetection filter.

IF Filters​

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Some home tuners are more elaborate, but many use a cascaded pair of 280 kHz ceramic IF filters. This shows the detected spectrum in one such tuner when receiving an HD Radio signal. The horizontal span is 200 kHz and the vertical scale is 10 dB per division. The program material was monophonic. From the left the signals are L+R, pilot, residual L−R near −30 dB, RDS, and two SCAs. To the right are the detected HD Radio sidebands.

The HD Radio spectrum, flat at RF, rises 6 dB per octave after FM detection. The roll-off of cascaded 280 kHz IF filters matches the rise around 150 kHz, and the filters take over above. But the spectrum is not down much between 175 and 198 kHz, the region a squarewave stereo decoder will demodulate to 15 kHz or less with its fifth harmonic at 190 kHz.

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Narrower IF filters make quite a difference. This shows overlapped spectra for three different sets of IF filters in one tuner. The traces are for pairs of 280, 180, and 150 kHz filters. The differences in the HD Radio spectral level are pronounced, as are the differences in audible self-noise. The effect of IF filters is more fully explored here.

Narrow IF filters increase harmonic distortion, exaggerate multipath distortion, decrease modulation acceptance, and degrade stereo separation. Elevated multipath distortion can be quite audible. Less noticeable are ticks and pops on audio peaks for stations that overdeviate. Higher harmonic distortion and lower stereo separation are measurable but not necessarily audible. Some tuners include circuitry to maintain separation in narrow.

Postdetection Filter​

Few home tuners made for the U.S. market provide a dedicated lowpass filter between the FM detector and stereo decoder. Most just use a capacitor to suppress IF ripple. Audio bandwidth and stereo separation depend on the amplitude and phase response of the 53 kHz composite-signal passband. A postdetection filter with significant attenuation above 100 kHz must be carefully designed to maintain flat composite response. Nevertheless, some tuners do use such filters. Some are complex designs with response nulls at 114 and 190 kHz.

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This passive postdetection filter in a Kenwood KT-880D tuner completely eliminates HD Radio self-noise.

Postdetection filters sometimes are called birdie or anti-birdie filters when intended to prevent the demodulation of extraneous composite signals as tones. Such filters may or may not be effective against HD Radio self-noise. While some are complex lowpass filters, others are just simple LC traps resonant at the 67 kHz SCA frequency.

The European version of a tuner often includes a postdetection filter the U.S. version lacks. The filter reduces interference from adjacent-channel signals in the crowded European FM spectrum. These filters may reduce or eliminate HD Radio self-noise.

Reducing HD Radio Self-Noise​

Mono The easiest way to eliminate HD Radio self-noise is to hit the mono button. The noise corrupts only the stereo subchannel. If you don't use it, no noise will appear. Most public radio programs use monophonic audio. Some stations drop the stereo pilot for these programs, causing your tuner to revert to mono and any HD Radio self-noise to disappear. For stations that retain the pilot, press the mono button to eliminate the noise.

Hi-Blend If a signal has stereo content and you'd like to preserve some of it, engage hi-blend. This filter rolls off the highs of the L−R signal before combining it with L+R, typically providing 3–6 dB of noise reduction and 10–20 dB of midrange stereo separation. Hi-blend noticeably quiets the audio while retaining a decent stereo effect. However, HD Radio self-noise will remain audible unless the listening level is low.

Narrow IF Filter If your tuner has a selectable narrow IF bandwidth, try it. Even if this just cascades additional wideband filters to improve alternate-channel selectivity, it should lower HD Radio self-noise. Filter bandwidths of 180 kHz or less will drop it substantially. Using a narrow filter may not eliminate the last trace of noise, but the result may be good enough at moderate listening levels.

Although narrow filters measurably degrade audio fidelity, I've never been able to hear a difference in sound quality between wide and narrow IF filters on speech or music in a properly aligned tuner. Exceptions are when receiving multipath-laden or overdeviated signals. You may occasionally object to the sound of a narrow IF filter, but the reduction in HD Radio self-noise can be well worth it.

You can retrofit your own tuner with narrow ceramic filters. Digi-Key and Mouser stock surface mount parts, which can be adapted. Leaded filters are available on eBay. Lowest distortion and best performance require filter characterization and tuner realignment. But if you obtain a dozen filters and a breakaway in-line socket strip with which to make three-pin filter sockets, you can swap filters until you're satisfied with the sound. You may need to adjust the muting and stereo thresholds to compensate for higher filter loss.

Postdetection Filter A solution with negligible sonic penalty is to add a postdetection filter. You can build one and install it yourself.

This design should eliminate self-noise for any HD Radio signal. Details are here.

Tuner The last solution is simply to buy another tuner. Few home tuners are marketed these days, but high-quality used tuners are readily available.

Receiving an HD Radio signal in stereo at full IF bandwidth without self-noise requires a postdetection filter or special stereo decoder. The U.S. version of each tuner listed below has one or the other, or both. Before buying a tuner, check with someone who owns one to verify the effectiveness of its self-noise rejection. Surely the list is incomplete. These tuners did not make the list.

Postdetection Filter
ADS T2
Aiwa AT-9700
Akai AT-93 AT-K03 AT-S55 AT-V04
AMC T7
Arcam Alpha 5 Plus Alpha 7 Alpha 8 T21 T51
Audiolab 8000T
Carver TX-11
DaySequerra FMR 25
Denon TU-600 TU-650RD TU-660 TU-680NAB TU-767 TU-800 TU-1500RD UTU-F10
Dynaco AF-6
Heathkit AJ-15
Hitachi FT-007 FT-3500 FT-4400 FT-5500MKII FT-8000
Kenwood 600T BASIC T2 KT-9XG KT-80 KT-615 KT-770 KT-880D KT-900 KT-917
KT-1000 KT-1100 KT-3050 KT-5020 KT-6040 KT-6050 L-01T L-02T L-07TII
Klein + Hummel FM 2002
KLH Eighteen
Luxman T-117 T-230 T-240 T-400 TX-101
Marantz 2130 ST-8 ST-17 ST551
McIntosh MR71 MR73 MR74 MR77 MR78
NAD 4155 4300
Onkyo T-35 T-407 T-450RDS T-909 T-4017 T-4057 T-4087 T-4150
T-4500 T-4700 T-4711 T-9060 T-9090 T-9090II T-G10
Phase Linear T 5200
Philips AH180 FT930
Pioneer F-9 F-X700 TX-05 TX-950 TX-8500II TX-9100
Quad FM3
Revox B160 B260 B260-S B261 B760 H6
Rotel RHT-10 RT-830A RT-850 RT-850A RT-870 RT-940AX
RT-950BX RT-955 RT-970BX RT-990BX RT-1080
Sansui TU-517 TU-717 TU-719 TU-919 TU-S5 TU-S9 TU-S55X TU-X1
Sony ST-J55 ST-J75 ST-S555ES
Sumo Charlie
TAG McLaren T32R
Technics ST-G7

Product Detector
Kenwood KT-990D KT-990SD KT-1100SD KT-3300D KT-7020 L-1000T
Rotel RHT-10 RT-990BX
Yamaha T-85 TX-1000 TX-2000

Harmonic Canceller
Denon TU-680NAB
NAD C420 C422 C425 C426 S400
Onkyo T-405TX T-405X
Primare T21
Sansui TU-D99X TU-D99AMX TU-S77X TU-S77AMX

Digital Direct Decoder
Pioneer F-51 F-77 F-90 F-91 F-93 F-99X F-401 F-449 F-656 F-717

Digital Signal Processing
Accuphase T-1000 T-1100 T-1200

Sound Samples​

I recorded this sound sample from a Proton 300 table radio. It used three 280 kHz IF filters, no postdetection filter, and a squarewave stereo decoder. The RF signal level was 73 dBf, the digital sideband level was −14 dBc, and the HD Radio service mode was MP3:

This is the same station with 180 kHz filters replacing the 280s:

January 26, 2025
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I didn't mean a component tuner with variable output or volume control. I want fixed output. But wouldn't a component tuner with no preamp have a very low output too low for the inputs on the receiver?. I think most my line level inputs are 500 mv which seems like preamp level to me.

In my receiver's specs the analog input sensitivity is 500 mv. Isn't that preamp output level and my analog inputs aren't going through my receivers preamp just the volume and tone controls?
No, the output is line level.
 
Post detection filtering works the best.

HD Radio Self-Noise​



January 26, 2025
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Yeah I remember reading and discussing the website link about HD self noise. It's a good list for component tuners, but for receivers I can't figure what receivers have HD noise filtering.
 
Yeah I remember reading and discussing the website link about HD self noise. It's a good list for component tuners, but for receivers I can't figure what receivers have HD noise filtering.
Buy a tuner, run it's AUDIO OUT into one of the line inputs on the existing receiver: CD, TAPE IN or VIDEO 2 AUDIO IN or VIDEO 1 AUDIO IN.
Any one of those would do. Just select that selection when you want to play the tuner.
Maybe try different ones, as some MAY HAVE some buffering and MAY sound different.
I know that my Apt/Holman PreAmp has some buffering in the TAPE IN circuits (but I can not hear any difference).
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Buy a tuner, run it's AUDIO OUT into one of the line inputs on the existing receiver: CD, TAPE IN or VIDEO 2 AUDIO IN or VIDEO 1 AUDIO IN.
Any one of those would do. Just select that selection when you want to play the tuner.
Maybe try different ones, as some MAY HAVE some buffering and MAY sound different.
I know that my Apt/Holman PreAmp has some buffering in the TAPE IN circuits (but I can not hear any difference).
Right I was wondering if signal through one of the audio inputs might bypass some of the receiver preamp and be a cleaner signal chain than the receiver integrated tuner. I was also concerned if the component tuner would have high enough output but not too high, but neither of those two concerns are the case.

I don't think I'd gain much with a component tuner reception or sound quality wise but probably could some if I found a good vintage tuner. Ideally I would get a good Sony tuner that worked with my receiver's remote. But finding that at a good price seems like a needle in a haystack. I'm a big fan of integrated receivers and keeping it simple. So if I did anything I'd switch to a better receiver and being more common probably wouldn't cost much more and would have more options, vintage and new. As it is, I'm getting good reception with the rabbit ears as long as the occasional interference doesn't crop up, and pretty good sound quality with the Sony receiver.
 
Right I was wondering if signal through one of the audio inputs might bypass some of the receiver preamp and be a cleaner signal chain than the receiver integrated tuner. I was also concerned if the component tuner would have high enough output but not too high, but neither of those two concerns are the case.

I don't think I'd gain much with a component tuner reception or sound quality wise but probably could some if I found a good vintage tuner. Ideally I would get a good Sony tuner that worked with my receiver's remote. But finding that at a good price seems like a needle in a haystack. I'm a big fan of integrated receivers and keeping it simple. So if I did anything I'd switch to a better receiver and being more common probably wouldn't cost much more and would have more options, vintage and new. As it is, I'm getting good reception with the rabbit ears as long as the occasional interference doesn't crop up, and pretty good sound quality with the Sony receiver.
If set on top of the receiver (they are typically the same width, not much height & not as deep as a receiver [also very light]), it may be virtually un-noticeable.
Money may be another issue (on my $2037 a month for my wife & I, I get that one!).
Anyway, here are what I think are the three best SONY tuners for your purposes (with an explanation of them) From: Copyright ©2001-2024 Tuner Information Center. Permission is hereby granted to quote our text so long as proper credit is given. eBay listings that quote us incorrectly or without credit may be terminated without notice. (EJ3;[what they have been selling for is at the end of each one, you may be pleasantly surprised]):
Sony ST-J75 (1981, $450, photo, service manual, Audio review) search eBay
The FM-only ST-J75 was the top of the overlooked line that includes the ST-J55 and ST-J60 (which DO NOT have the post detection filter). Our contributor Brian Beezley reports, "I've had my ST-J75 since the early 1980s. I got it because it was the first tuner I had seen whose S/N approached 90 dB in stereo. It's always sounded great to me. Now that I have more tuners, I can report that it sounds exactly the same to me as all the others. The ST-J75 uses four 250-kHz GDT ceramic filters, which give it great alternate-channel selectivity, and it uses discrete bipolar differential isolation amps between the individual filters. I believe it uses a ratio detector. Distortion is well under 0.1%, but I forget how low it actually goes. There is one critical adjustment that keeps the tuner from muting on deep bass notes, which mine began to do this after I had owned it for a number of years. See the Sony ST-S555ES writeup below for what to tweak to fix this very annoying problem." Brian adds that the ST-J75 has a very effective LC post-detection filter that prevents HD Radio self-noise. Our contributor David Rich notes that the ST-J75 has a double-tuned filter at the antenna and is double-tuned after the RF amp.

Our contributors Tim and Ann add, "The ST-J75 is very quiet with good sensitivity and very good sound. What we like most about its sound is that it has great dynamic range and the background is extremely quiet during pauses in the music. IOHO, the ST-J75 is the ultimate 'sparrow feed' tuner: It's as good as anything out there and will more than hold its own with the the top vintage tuners from the big boys (Accuphase, Kenwood, Marantz, McIntosh, Sansui, etc.) and it was, we think, a truly undiscovered gem because it looked so overwhelmingly unimpressive and was at the far negative end of the 'eye candy' spectrum. We bought our first one for either $12 or $18, and when we hooked it up, we were stunned at just how good it was. Then we quickly acquired four additional ones (they were cheap and we wanted spares if we needed parts for one)."

Our contributor Glenn says his recapped and aligned ST-J75, with a new power cord and the 75-300 Ohm balun removed, "is, without a doubt, the best-sounding tuner I've owned to date. And Warren Bendler, the tech who did the recap and alignment in exchange for one of my spare ST-J75s, agrees with my assessment. He also finds the overall performance and sound of his aligned ST-J75 to be about as good as it gets. I just couldn't be happier with mine (unless, of course, it somehow developed the ability to be used with a remote ;-) ). Of all the tuners that have gone through this place, I believe the ST-J75 simply has the quietest background of them all. Like the Yamaha TX-950, a real 'sleeper' for the money." Glenn adds, "As I listen to my stock Yamaha TX-1000 and McIntosh MR 75 and then the ST-J75 I am struck, as always, at how 'black' the background is. Also, it ties with the TX-1000 in its ability to pull in a weak signal and sort it. Not sure how Sony accomplished all this, but they certainly got it right."

Our contributor Norman concurs: "The ST-J75 is an amazing tuner, one I would never have known about If not for TIC. As described in TIC, it's a classic 'sparrow feed' tuner, a great performing tuner than can be purchased for a very reasonable sum (I paid $75 in 2019). I also purchased other tuners with great performance from the reviews on TIC, the Pioneer TX- 7800 and the Sony ST-5000F, great tuners in their own right, both very reasonably priced, but without the 'black,' absolutely noiseless background that the J-75 has." If your ST-J75 isn't as quiet as others have described, it may need some minor servicing: Mike Williams of Radio X Tuners put his ear to the case of one and heard a slight hum. Mike told us, "I did some isolation and dampened the transformer with soft-start resistors, which reduced the hum to almost nil, but it was still faintly heard. I have had several ST-J75s come through here since and all have had the same hum when you put your ear to the case."

Here's our panelist Ray's very tasty recipe for mods to the ST-J75:

Audio section:
C224 and 225 - 10 μF, 16v to 33 μF, 50v Panasonic FC w/0.1 μF polypropylene bypass.
C230 and 231 - 4.7 μF, 16v to 47 μF, 6.3v Black Gate NX non-polar.
C226 and 229 - 100 μF, 16v to 330 μF, 16v Panasonic FM.
I.C. 201 and 204 - NJM4560 to OPA2134.

Detector circuit:
C217 - 3.3 μF, 25v to 33 μF, 50v Panasonic FC w/0.1 μF polypropylene bypass.
C206 - 22 μF, 16v to 50v Panasonic FC w/0.1 μF polypropylene bypass.
C201 and 202 - 100 μF, 16v to 680 μF, 16v Panasonic FM.

Power supply:
C601 - 2200 μF, 35v to 3300 μF, 35v Nichicon UHE.
C605 - 470 μF, 16v to 820 μF, 25v Panasonic FM.
C615 - 100 μF, 25v to 820 μF, 25v Panasonic FM.

Ray adds: "Also of note the signal out of the detector is non-inverted from that received and the audio out is inverted. The HA11223W MPX IC does the inverting. The stock passive de-emphasis response is very good at +0.13 dB, -0.33 dB from 20 Hz to 15 kHz and is only down 2.74 dB at 10 Hz. Time constant was 73.5 μS. After audio mods it was the same except down 0 dB at 20 Hz and 0.23 dB at 10 Hz. I think that's the flattest I have ever measured."

See our writeup of the Denon TU-660 to read how Ray and our panelist JohnC compared the ST-J75 to their respective Denons and modded Hitachi FT-5500MKIIs. JohnC's quick comparison of the ST-J75's quieting to that of the awesome Sansui TU-X1 appears in the writeup for the latter, and he has some more J75 tidbits in his comments on the ST-J60 above. The ST-J75 can sell for $40-115 on eBay, with an all-time high of $173 in 3/14

Sony ST-J55 (1978, $310) search eBay
The digitally tuned ST-J55 is the baby of the line that also includes the ST-J60 and ST-J75. Our contributor Dan says: "The ST-J55 has 4 gangs [actually the varactor equivalent - Editor] and 4 filters, with 3 IF amp sections. It has surprisingly decent sensitivity, but the selectivity isn't as good as it should be - probably needs some narrower filters. It tunes in .05 MHz increments, has manual tune, auto-scan and 8 presets. The AM section seems only fair. The sound quality is pretty decent as well. I ran it for about two days, then decided to put in the OPA2604 op-amp in place of the 4558. Sound quality improved, especially the midrange (it already had pretty decent bass), and the treble opened up. Separation was good but seemed more 'focused' with the 2604. This is a very easy tuner to mod since the entire circuit is on one board and the bottom removes for easy access. Lots of caps in this tuner and the 3 IF amps probably make it a very good candidate for Black Gates and Bill Ammons' filter add-on. Definitely a 'sleeper' model."

Our contributor Don, who found his ST-J55 exceptionally quiet, speculates that this is "because it has 4 ceramic filters and a post-detection filter. In comparison with a tuner with 2 filters in Wide IF mode, you might expect some subtle effects on sonics." Don notes that the J55 "has the dreaded 4558 op-amp driving the outputs. Sonic upgrades should include a better op-amp. The J55 also has stereo/muting on the same button, which was my major gripe with it. I finally figured out a mod that disables muting in stereo mode completely (adjusting the muting level pot didn't quite do it), without any adverse effects with auto tuning. This should also be adaptable to the ST-J75." Like the ST-J60's, the ST-J55's ceramic filters have a wide 280 kHz bandwidth. The ST-J55 usually sells for $20-40 on eBay.

Sony ST-S500ES (1987, $300) search eBay
The ST-S500ES usually sells for $35-70 on eBay.

Sony ST-S550ES (1991, $400, photo) search eBay
Our panelist Ray offers this review: "The ST-S550ES is actually a pretty basic tuner but with a few extra features. It accepts only a 75-Ohm FM antenna lead which goes to a relay actuated straight through or "T" resistor attenuator to the front end "can." Within the can is an antenna coil/varactor tank feeding a dual-gate FET. This is followed by two more tanks and a mixer transistor. So, counting the oscillator, it has 4 varactor gangs in a very low parts count front end. The rated sensitivity is high at 10.3 dBf so that little front end is probably easily overloaded, and thus the need for the front panel switch operated attenuator. The IF strip is a bit unusual with 3 250 kHz ceramic filters separated by two gain stages in Wide mode, with Narrow mode adding another 230 kHz ceramic filter and a gain stage after that. The ST-S550ES claims very good alternate channel separation of 80 dB in Wide and 90 dB in Narrow. Sony chose an LA3401 MPX chip and uses it just as the data sheet advises, with feedback de-emphasis at its outputs feeding low-pass filters and a 4558 output buffer. I measured the time constant to be 73.2 µS and resultant audio response to be within - 0.20 dB to + 0.45 dB from 40 Hz to 15 kHz. It was down only -0.70 dB at 20 Hz. The service manual lists variations for U.S. and Canadian, U.K. and A.E.P. models. Mine is the U.S. version.

"Other specs: Sensitivity for 46 dB S/N, 16.8 dBf mono and 38.5 dBf stereo; THD: wide = .04% mono and .05% stereo, narrow = .06% mono and .08% stereo; 1 kHz separation = 65 dB. That's 10 dB better than the LA3401 data sheet claims as max. The front panel claims a 'radial power supply' feature. It would appear this means placement of the power supply physically in the center of the active circuit blocks, with power feed thus splayed radially to each. Upside is short leads, downside is P.S. 'dirties' right next to the sensitive front end. Overall, the ST-S550ES makes me think of Jim's Texas: Big, big box and within?... wide-open spaces. Overall I find it about par with most of my vintage sparrow feed digital tuners and that ain't bad. It sounds good, stock, and that 'flywheel-feel' tuning knob makes for retro fun. IMHO, though, at $400.00 in 1991 it was a bit overpriced. I snagged mine for $60.00 B.I.N. and that's OK." We assume that our contributor Al's comment on IBOC self-noise in the ST-S555ES writeup apply as well to the ST-S550ES. Note that the ST-S550ES has standard RCA output jacks rather than the proprietary output jack used by some other Sony ES tuners. The ST-S550ES usually sells for $50-90 on eBay, with a low of just $7 in 1/12 and a high of $200 in 11/12 as two crazed bidders ran it up from $44.

Sony ST-S555ES (EJ3: FM ONLY) (1985, $450, audio stage schematic) search eBay
The FM-only ST-S555ES is a PLL quartz-locked digital synthesizer tuner with dual-gate MOSFETs in the RF amplifier, 5 varactors in the front end (equivalent to 5 gangs), and 4 ceramic filters. It tunes in .05 MHz steps, has Wide and Narrow IF bandwidth settings, and has two 75-Ohm antenna inputs with a selectable attenuator of 20 dB on antenna B. Our contributor Paul Baptista reports that the main chips are LA1235, uPC1223C, TL071CP and TL072CP. The ST-S555ES uses a proprietary output jack called "ACT" (Audio Current Transfer) which is intended to avoid having the signal source current and the power supply current flow through the same ground. This is not compatible with normal RCA jacks that use voltage transfer. The 555ES uses high-grade audio caps (Elna and Nichicon) and 1% metal film resistors in the output section. Paul found it very easy to modify, including replacing the output op-amps and changing to normal voltage transfer via a series resistor. The case is easy to open and both sides of the PCB are accessible. Paul's modded ST-S555ES is now his main tuner: "It has an added EMI/FRI module AC input, oversized power cord, about 45 caps replaced (Panasonic FC, Elna ROA Cerafine, Black Gates), matched filters, op-amps changed to OPA134 and OPA2604, IF Filter Adder Board in Narrow IF mode with two extra filters, and finally an alignment by Bill Ammons. Definitely bass-shy... so much so that I suspect that I have a series capacitor somewhere of too small a value creating a 'high-pass filter' effect. Everything else is sweet, widest soundstage, lowest noise floor, and the highs extend the most" out of all his tuners.

Our contributor Brian Beezley adds: "I like mine, especially after I replaced the filters with narrower ones. The stock tuner has excellent alternate channel rejection but not much for the adjacent channel. The DUAL ANTENNA INPUT is particularly handy. My 555ES isn't especially sensitive (about 20 dBf for 50 dB quieting), but sounds clean, works well in the face of a 15 kW station 2.3 miles away that makes some other tuners stumble, and is easy to modify. The audio output is nonstandard - the tuner emits audio current instead of voltage on a special connector. You'll need the Sony adapter cable to RCA plugs. Alternatively, you can solder a 620-Ohm resistor across each output and then install RCA cables or jacks. Beware of one critical adjustment: Variable inductor IFT101 tunes the off-channel detector that is used with the automatic scan. If misadjusted, even by a small amount, strong low-frequency signals will momentarily mute the audio. Both my 555ES and its cousin, the ST-J75, exhibited this problem during deep bass notes, record or hall rumble, and microphone air blasts. It's very annoying. The adjustment is extremely touchy, perhaps why these tuners don't seem to leave the factory with it set quite right."

Our contributor Don offers these detailed instructions on modding the audio output: "The ST-S555ES does not have normal RCA jacks for audio output. It has a 4-pin circular connector that outputs what Sony calls 'Audio Current Transfer' (ACT), which is a current source output. The Sony adapter cable converts this into normal line-level RCA jacks for input to a preamp or receiver. In many cases, a unit purchased on eBay will be missing the adapter cable, in which case there are a couple of options for wiring audio out:

1) The only option that would not involve modifications to the tuner itself is to build your own adapter cable. Find the mating connector to the ACT output (it may be a mini DIN, but I'm not sure) and wire up a cable as shown in the schematic. A 620 Ohm 1/2 watt resistor is wired from pin 1 (left) and pin 2 (right) to ground (pins 3,4). Then a 10 µF or larger electrolytic cap (I would recommend a bipolar cap) is in series with the left and right output to the RCA jack. The cap is optional if the input to your preamp/amp/receiver is AC coupled (most are).

2) Assuming you can't find a mate to the ACT connector, another variation of the above is to put the 620 Ohm resistors inside the tuner, one in parallel with R219 and one in parallel with R269. Then for the left channel, connect one end of a 10 µF (even better, 33 to 100 µF) bipolar cap to the junction of R218 and R219. The other end of the cap should be wired to an RCA jack for the left audio out. For the right channel, one end of the cap connects to the junction of R268 and R269 and the other end is right audio out. You can drill holes to install RCA jacks, or remove the ACT output jack and run wires out and just let the jacks dangle.

3) The current output stage can be bypassed completely. In this case, wire a 600 Ohm resistor (value not critical) to IC203 pin 1. Wire a 33 to 100 µF bipolar cap to the other end of this resistor. The other end of the cap goes to an RCA jack as left audio out. For clarity, the 600 Ohm resistor and cap are in series. Similarly, wire the right audio out from IC203 pin 7 using a resistor and cap in series to the RCA jack. Again, the caps in most cases will not be necessary if driving an AC coupled input. In that case there is only the resistor connecting from the op-amp output to the RCA jack.

The downside of taking the audio out from this location is that you lose the muting relay. The tuner will emit a noisy burst when powered up, but otherwise I have not noticed any objectionable noises when tuning because the tuner is obviously muting in another place also. Also be aware that if the current output stage (IC204) is not loaded, it will bang the rails and possibly cause noise. To avoid this, the ends of R216 and R266 that connect to IC203 can be lifted and connected to ground."

We don't vouch for this person, but other possible mods for the ST-S555ES are described here. Our contributor Al adds, "Sony premium tuners since the ST-555ES seem to be immune from IBOC self-noise, that is the noise generated in the analog portion of a station's signal by the same station's digital HD signal. In LA I listen to classical music on KUSC and my fine vintage tuners often have a relatively high level of background noise that I assume comes from the HD signal being broadcast on separate carriers within the station's passband. When this happens, my Sony ST-555ES, 730ES, 707ES and SA50ES are about 20 dB quieter than my other, older high-end tuners." The Vintage Knob has a nice page on the ST-S555ES with photos and specs. The ST-S555ES usually sells for $40-80 on eBay when an output adapter cable is included or when the seller has failed to disclose that the outputs are not standard RCA jacks. When the seller does disclose this and does not have the adapter, $10-30 is the more common range.
 
EJ3, there's some nice Sony tuners especially the ST-S555ES. I'd probably have more and maybe better options not limiting it to Sony. Being able to use my Sony remote isn't that important.
 
EJ3, there's some nice Sony tuners especially the ST-S555ES. I'd probably have more and maybe better options not limiting it to Sony. Being able to use my Sony remote isn't that important.
I was thinking from an aesthetic point of view. Also, these things are, while being very, very good, quite inexpensive.
My amps are 6 NAD 2200's (in 2 tri-amped configurations) and 2 NAD 2100's (in my mother's system), and it turned out that NAD made a quite good tuner, the 4300. So, the balancing act for my wife's eyes & my performance needs, was easy. Now I have a NAD 4300 (since it works the way I want it to after MODDING it and it doesn't offend her sense of aesthetics [she is a minimalist], it caused no issues).

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NAD 4300 (1987, front, back, with amp and rack handles) search eBay
Our contributor Mark R. provides this review: "The NAD 4300 FM/AM tuner was part of NAD's top-end Monitor Series line in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I purchased my first 4300 in 1989 and still have it today. Immediately notable is the fact that this is a digitally tuned tuner with a tuning knob! Each twist of the knob tunes the unit in 50 kHz increments. There is a small flywheel within the tuner to give the tuning knob the requisite heft that one expects. The display is a five-digit display. A five-bar LED signal-strength display is immediately under the frequency readout. There are eight presets each for the AM and FM band. Tuner output is variable, with the level control on the back panel.

"The tuner's performance specifications are ambitious, especially for sensitivity and selectivity. While I've never had it measured, I believe the tuner promises what it delivers, based on my 20+ years of experience with it. I bought a second 4300 on Audiogon a few years, and it has performed equally well. I have found three sets of performance specifications for this tuner - one set is found in sales brochures; the other two are in the service manual. One of those is for U.S. models while the other is for non-U.S. models. For example, mono sensitivity is specified at 9.0 dBf (brochures), 9.3 dBf (U.S. service manual), or 9.6 dBf (non-U.S.). Sensitivity at 50 dB quieting in stereo is specified at 34.0 dBf (brochures), 33.5 dBf (U.S.), or 34.5 dBf (non-U.S.). Stereo S/N ratio is specified at 80 dB (brochures), 78 dB (U.S.), or 77 dB (non-U.S.). I have no explanation for the differences among the three sets of specifications.

"Documentation for the tuner states that it has a 'five-gang tuning system' including four stages of RF filtering. There are three IF-stage filters. FM bandwidth is selectable - in the Wide bandwidth mode, the sound is accurate and precise, and even in Narrow mode it still sounds quite good. There is also a dynamic blend circuit that NAD calls 'FM NR' which works by reducing the L-R component of the FM stereo signal, varying upon the signal strength of the station. Blending is never total; some separation is still retained for weak signals. The 'FM NR' circuit can be switched off when desired. The feature does remove significant amounts of noise, though, on very weak signals, it is quite apparent that separation has been reduced. The AM tuner is surprisingly sensitive, with more bandwidth and interference rejection than the typical AM tuner afterthought, but there appears to be a low-frequency roll-off. It's pleasant enough when listening to news or talk programs.

"This tuner is ideal for challenging reception environments, such as fringe areas, and locations with severe blanketing problems, such as near multiple high-power FM transmitters. While the brochures for the tuner claim image rejection of 120 dB (110 dB in the service manual), my experience has been that additional RF filtering between the antenna and the tuner still helps tremendously in blocking out unwanted signals. The narrow bandwidth is extremely helpful in rejecting alternate-channel signals, at very little apparent cost to sonic quality. The 4300 is also great for DXing, both due to the performance and the ability to use a tuning knob rather than up-or-down buttons. I have noticed that the volume drops a little bit when switching from wide to narrow bandwidth, and the stereo soundstage can be affected slightly. But, even in not-so-difficult environments, the compromises are more than acceptable. That said, if sonic quality is more important to you than reception performance, this may not be the tuner for you. The tuner is clinically accurate; it won't cover up the flaws of a badly processed FM signal. But, on a clean, well-engineered station, the tuner's sonic performance is very good. It's listenable for hours at a time.

"There's an important precondition: The tuner must be aligned for best results. Even a minor misalignment can result in a gritty, distorted sound, especially on aggressively modulated signals. There was a period in my life when I moved this tuner around frequently; those moves seemed to knock it out of alignment ever so slowly. There is also a small circuit board hosting the IF filters that came loose, generating additional noise within the tuner. That's been fixed. The moral of that story is to avoid moving this tuner around a lot. Overall, this is an ideal tuner for difficult reception locations, and an excellent one for all others, especially for receiving weak stations or a weaker station crowded between stronger ones. The RF performance -- sensitivity, alternate/adjacent channel selectivity, etc. -- is the best of any tuner NAD made. I have used the 4300 in all sorts of environments: in an urban area with and without an outdoor antenna, and in a rural area with an outdoor antenna, and found that if I could get any kind of signal at all, the tuner could make it listenable."

Mark also pointed out that when buying a used 4300, "there's a chance you'll get one with a bad capacitor. If you can handle a soldering iron, you should be able to deal with it (described in an old email to me from an NAD authorized servicer: '0.047 Farad (not µF) capacitor, location C196, rated at 5.5 volts'). This is the capacitor that provides power to the memory when the tuner is powered off. The capacitor in my first 4300 started failing nine years after I got it; eventually, the LED digits first dimmed and then wouldn't even display properly. Replacing the capacitor fixed that set of problems."

Our contributor Ray D. adds: "Before the the Monitor series came out, our NAD reps started telling us about this upcoming series. After making a huge splash in the good-bang-for-the-buck league, NAD was apparently going after the high end. We were a Levinson dealer, among many other high-end brands, and we were told that the new stuff would rival Levinson for a fraction of the price. Of course, the reality was far removed from that, and the disappointment was made worse by the horrendous initial reliability problems that afflicted most of the series. Eventually they got it right and it turned out to be good-bang-for-the-buck equipment at a higher price range. The initial hype probably put me off the series in large part, but I was a big fan of the tape decks and the tuner.

"It is worth pointing out that this was not a cheap tuner back in the day. It was less than a Revox, Audiolab or Meridian, but was probably up there with the Yamaha T-85 and TX-1000. Features are very basic. It has 8 AM and 8 FM presets, IF Wide and Narrow, Mono selector, FM noise reduction OFF (more on that later), an analog-type tuning knob, and a single set of RCA outs with a level control at the back. Signal strength is a row of 5 LEDs. The overall feel and finish are just OK, but the tuning knob is far and away the nicest analog type digital I have ever come across. The knob is heavily weighted with a large flywheel and a frictionless optical pick up is used. Not an 'analog look but only a rocker switch'.

"What makes this tuner potentially very interesting is the noise reduction circuit. It is no secret that there was a connection between NAD and Proton that was severed around this time. Proton had been using the very effective Schotz NR and the 4300 was rumored to have something very similar, perhaps even better. The Proton 440 I have is the quietest tuner I have found on distant stations such as Vermont Public Radio. The downside is that the soundstage is so narrow on VPR as to be barely better than mono. The NAD does not quite match the Proton's quiet, but it is very close and with far better sound. Even on VPR, the soundstage is extremely wide and very deep. The only tuners that have come close in quieting are the Sony ST-5130 (but it was very tubby and colored-sounding), and the Harman/Kardon TU915 (but it had a very aggressive edge to the sound that made it sound very unnatural and basically unlistenable for acoustic music). Switching off the NR shows that it has little negative impact on the sound. Things seemed a bit brighter without it, but the difference was small and it did not always seem to be an improvement.

"For sheer sonics on good stations, the 4300 does very well. Like the Meridian 204 and JVC FX-1100BK, it lacks any digital edge. The NAD has better bass than the 204 and far better focus, definition and detail than the JVC. It lacks the last measure of detail and transparancy afforded by the T-85 and Akai AT-93, but these are the only two digitals I would rank above the 4300, and they are both far noisier on VPR. One unfortunate detail: The 4300 really did not like being in the same room as this computer, picking up a lot of noise on all station, NR or not. So much for it being in my office system! Inside I found an LA 3401 along with a LA 1235 and LA 1247."

Our contributor doug s. adds, "Sonically, the 4300 is very nice, with the typical (to these ears) soft NAD sound - definitely not at all digital-tuna sounding. Good soundstaging and extension and timbre, not the last word in detail. And, yes, excellent reception. Regarding more specifics, I will only cite areas that significantly differ from what's been said by Ray and Mark. I found no computer interference with either 4300 I had, and my tunas are around six feet from my computer when in my system. And, I think my JVC FX-1100BK offers a little bit more detail than the 4300, not the other way around. But ergonomically and appearance-wise, the 4300 beats the FX-1100BK hands down." Our contributor Mike M. adds that the 4300's tuning system "uses a rotating metal cup with a castellated rim and two emitter-detectors pairs sensing the slots in the rim as the tuning knob is rotated." DXer Mike Bugaj has a review of the 4300 on his website. The 4300 usually sells for $50-100 on eBay.
 
SE Michigan here, 93.5 FM for Livingston county "stuff" and music.
My take: I'm a part of a bigger thing, called a community, so listening to 93.5 I get my dose of local happenings and music.
Plus - fall Fridays they do ... host the high school football game of the week and when our team is playing I listen / support.
Caveat - I'm a child of the 70's, 62 years old now, so grew up with FM.
Other SE Michigan stations 94.7, 101 ... I kinda grew tired of them, as heard same songs now 100's of time.

I should add have 3 kids who now are 23/21/19.
The older 2 never used to listen to FM radio, now they do occasionally in their car, go figure.
We also have a family Spotify account, so they balance between FM & Spotify.
 
EJ3, there's some nice Sony tuners especially the ST-S555ES. I'd probably have more and maybe better options not limiting it to Sony. Being able to use my Sony remote isn't that important.
Mark read the reviews on Sony XDR-F1HD prices have come way down on these with the ebbing of FM.
 
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Mark read the reviews on Sony XDR-F1HD prices have come way down on these with the ebbing of FM.
The Sony has a justifiably good reputation, but it also (as I think has been mentioned earlier in this very thread) has a couple of rough edges that bear improvement. One of them, if memory serves, is kind of serious -- issues with (premature) component degradation exacerbated by internal heat buildup.
But, yeah, on the whole, a nice piece that still commands a pretty good price (at least on eBAY).

The aforementioned Samsung standalone HD tuners ain't bad, either. I have one of the original models, the HDT-1 (not the 1A, which added a digital output to allow use of an external DAC). I bought it used and, other than a minor shipping-related glitch* it has served admirably. I believe there's some contouring built into the analog output, but good quality FM source material (on the HD channels, at least) sounds quite good to me.



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* A loose ribbon cable, which was harder to diagnose than one might expect!
 
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