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Discrete OpAmp Review: Sonic Imagery vs Sparkos

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Recently I reviewed the Nord Three SE 1ET400A Dual Mono Stereo Amplifier. That unit came with the Sonic Imagery's 990ENH discrete operational amplifier ("opamp") in the buffer stage (pre-amplifier). The owner then ordered a set of Sparkos Pro SS2590 discrete opamps. This gave me a chance to compare the two in the same platform.

Alas, this analysis while of some value, won't be conclusive as power amplifiers can have temperature and run to run variations. Still, the Purifi 1ET400A modules are very low distortion so the data is more likely to be valid than not.

The opamps are socketed in the buffer board provided by Nord making swapping out easy. I especially appreciated the beefy gold coated pins which made it easy to pull them out and insert. Here is the original configuration with Sonic Imagery 990ENH:

Nord Purifi Amplifier with Sonic Imagery 990ENH Discrete Opamp Audio Review.jpg

I like that the Sonic Imagery Labs parts come fully enclosed. The Sparkos in contrast, are bare PC boards:

Nord Purifi Amplifier with Sparkos SS2590 Pro Discrete Opamp Audio Review.jpg

The Sparkos Pro opamps cost US $59 from the company. Sonic Imagery doesn't show the prices but I found some on ebay for US $69. Seeing how four of them are used in this amplifier, the premium is fair bit for both.

Amplifier Audio Measurements
Let's start with our dashboard. First, the Sonic Imagery 990 ENH from last review:

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Notice the lack of harmonic distortion to the right of our 1 kHz tall tone. Now with the Sparkos SS2590:
Nord Purifi Amplifier with Sparkos SS2590 Discrete Opamp Audio Measurements.png


Our overall SINAD remains roughly similar because it is noise dominated. On distortion front though, the SparkOS has fair bit higher distortion (> 10 dB). Whether this is run to run variation, I can't say for sure but seems to be too big of a difference to be so.

Noise performance is the same for both:
Nord Purifi Amplifier with Sparkos SS2590 Discrete Opamp SNR Audio Measurements.png


We had fair bit of channel inconsistency with respect to THD+N with the Sonic Imagery 990enh. Let's see if that has changed with Sparkos:
Nord Purifi Amplifier with Sparkos SS2590  Discrete Opamp Power into 4 ohms Audio Measurements.png


It has indeed. The two channels (brown and red) track each other much better now. But the best channel (red) is worse than the best channel with Sonic Imagery (light blue).

Here is the same into 8 ohms:
Nord Purifi Amplifier with Sparkos SS2590 Discrete Opamp Power into 8 ohms Audio Measurements.png


Similar picture emerges here. More importantly, both sets of measurements underperform the Purifi's own reference design (in dashed green). Hard to say if that is just due to OpAmp differences. Directionally it indicates so.

Conclusions
This is not the most precise study of the differences between these two sets of discrete opamps. If taken at face value, the Sonic Imagery 990 enh Ticha seems to have lower distortion, but higher part to part variation than Sparkos SS2590. Both appear to lose to stock Purifi implementation so not sure either is worth any kind of premium.

The differences are very small regardless so I would not sleep over this choice one way or the other. From what I see, Nord only offers these two choices and the Sparkos is the cheaper one.

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Thanks. I have been very curious about this. I have the Sparkos SS2590.
 
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Which IC op amp is used in the stock Purifi implementation?
 
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Any subjective impressions?
 

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Any subjective impressions?
I think that at those THD levels, everything should sound the same and it's more psychoacoustics than real hearing.
 
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That's not really what this site is about
We are actually. It is just that the subjective testing needs to be controlled and be within the cycle of our short-term memory. I don't have two amps with each opamp in them to be able to switch instantly to hear small differences. Failing that, we can go by the measurement differences which are very small and likely below threshold of hearing of most people.
 

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We are actually. It is just that the subjective testing needs to be controlled and be within the cycle of our short-term memory. I don't have two amps with each opamp in them to be able to switch instantly to hear small differences. Failing that, we can go by the measurement differences which are very small and likely below threshold of hearing of most people.

What could you perceive in a subjective test that can't be seen in the measurements? I'd argue any perceptible subjective difference points to inaccurate or incomplete testing and would require a change to the testing methodology. No offense, but I'd have to see some see tests on your personal hearing ability before believing a subjective test has value.
 
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No offense, but I'd have to see some see tests on your personal hearing ability before believing a subjective test has value.
I have post plenty on my hearing abilities in the past including passing some of the most challenging tests ever put online. Here are results of such double blind tests conducted using ABX tool in Foobar2000.

Archimago test of 16 bits versus 24 bits:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/08/02 13:52:46

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Archimago\24-bit Audio Test (Hi-Res 24-96, FLAC, 2014)\01 - Sample A - Bozza - La Voie Triomphale.flac
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Archimago\24-bit Audio Test (Hi-Res 24-96, FLAC, 2014)\02 - Sample B - Bozza - La Voie Triomphale.flac

13:52:46 : Test started.
13:54:02 : 01/01 50.0%
13:54:11 : 01/02 75.0%
13:54:57 : 02/03 50.0%
13:55:08 : 03/04 31.3%
13:55:15 : 04/05 18.8%
13:55:24 : 05/06 10.9%
13:55:32 : 06/07 6.3%
13:55:38 : 07/08 3.5%
13:55:48 : 08/09 2.0%
13:56:02 : 09/10 1.1%
13:56:08 : 10/11 0.6%
13:56:28 : 11/12 0.3%
13:56:37 : 12/13 0.2%
13:56:49 : 13/14 0.1%
13:56:58 : 14/15 0.0%
13:57:05 : Test finished.

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Total: 14/15 (0.0%)

0.0% chance of guessing.

Difference between 24/96 kHz and 16/44.1 with file provided by the late ArnyK:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/24 20:27:41

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arnys Filter Test\keys jangling amir-converted 4416 2496.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arnys Filter Test\keys jangling full band 2496.wav

20:27:41 : Test started.
20:28:07 : 00/01 100.0%
20:28:25 : 00/02 100.0%
20:28:55 : 01/03 87.5%
20:29:02 : 02/04 68.8%
20:29:12 : 03/05 50.0%
20:29:20 : 04/06 34.4%
20:29:27 : 05/07 22.7%
20:29:36 : 06/08 14.5%
20:29:44 : 07/09 9.0%
20:29:55 : 08/10 5.5%
20:30:00 : 09/11 3.3%
20:30:07 : 10/12 1.9%
20:30:16 : 11/13 1.1%
20:30:22 : 12/14 0.6%
20:30:29 : 13/15 0.4%
20:30:36 : 14/16 0.2%
20:30:41 : 15/17 0.1%
20:30:53 : 16/18 0.1%
20:31:03 : 17/19 0.0%
20:31:07 : Test finished.

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Total: 17/19 (0.0%)

0.0% probably of chance.

320 kbps version of above against the original (ran as a challenge by someone as being impossible):
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/19 19:45:33

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arnys Filter Test\keys jangling 16 44.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arnys Filter Test\keys jangling 16 44_01.mp3

19:45:33 : Test started.
19:46:21 : 01/01 50.0%
19:46:35 : 02/02 25.0%
19:46:49 : 02/03 50.0%
19:47:03 : 03/04 31.3%
19:47:13 : 04/05 18.8%
19:47:27 : 05/06 10.9%
19:47:38 : 06/07 6.3%
19:47:46 : 07/08 3.5%
19:48:01 : 08/09 2.0%
19:48:19 : 09/10 1.1%
19:48:31 : 10/11 0.6%
19:48:45 : 11/12 0.3%
19:48:58 : 12/13 0.2%
19:49:11 : 13/14 0.1%
19:49:28 : 14/15 0.0%
19:49:52 : 15/16 0.0%
19:49:56 : Test finished.

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Total: 15/16 (0.0%)

0.0% chance of guessing.

Ethan Winer test of audibility of multiple passes through ADC/DAC (most difficult: single pass one):

foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/18 06:40:07

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Ethan Soundblaster\sb20x_original.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Ethan Soundblaster\sb20x_pass1.wav

06:40:07 : Test started.
06:41:03 : 01/01 50.0%
06:41:16 : 02/02 25.0%
06:41:24 : 03/03 12.5%
06:41:33 : 04/04 6.3%
06:41:53 : 05/05 3.1%
06:42:02 : 06/06 1.6%
06:42:22 : 07/07 0.8%
06:42:34 : 08/08 0.4%
06:42:43 : 09/09 0.2%
06:42:56 : 10/10 0.1%
06:43:08 : 11/11 0.0%
06:43:16 : Test finished.

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Total: 11/11 (0.0%)

0.0% chance of guessing.

Audibility of low frequency jitter challenge as again provided by the late Arnyk:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/09 09:31:59

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arny's 30 Hz Jitter File\Arny's new files\no jitter.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arny's 30 Hz Jitter File\Arny's new files\30 Hz jitter marginal level .00625.wav

09:31:59 : Test started.
09:32:47 : 01/01 50.0%
09:32:58 : 02/02 25.0%
09:33:09 : 03/03 12.5%
09:33:22 : 04/04 6.3%
09:33:33 : 04/05 18.8%
09:34:03 : 05/06 10.9%
09:34:18 : 06/07 6.3%
09:34:30 : 07/08 3.5%
09:34:46 : 08/09 2.0%
09:34:56 : 08/10 5.5%
09:35:19 : 09/11 3.3%
09:35:34 : 10/12 1.9%
09:35:49 : 11/13 1.1%
09:36:38 : 12/14 0.6%
09:37:21 : 12/15 1.8%
09:37:41 : 13/16 1.1%
09:37:52 : 14/17 0.6%
09:38:13 : 15/18 0.4%
09:38:26 : 16/19 0.2%
09:38:39 : 17/20 0.1%
09:38:45 : Test finished.

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Total: 17/20 (0.1%)

0.1% chance of guessing.

Public challenge on AVS Forum on differences between 24 bit/96 kHz and CD rate with content from AIX:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/10 18:50:44

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\On_The_Street_Where_You_Live_A2.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\On_The_Street_Where_You_Live_B2.wav

18:50:44 : Test started.
18:51:25 : 00/01 100.0%
18:51:38 : 01/02 75.0%
18:51:47 : 02/03 50.0%
18:51:55 : 03/04 31.3%
18:52:05 : 04/05 18.8%
18:52:21 : 05/06 10.9%
18:52:32 : 06/07 6.3%
18:52:43 : 07/08 3.5%
18:52:59 : 08/09 2.0%
18:53:10 : 09/10 1.1%
18:53:19 : 10/11 0.6%
18:53:23 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/11 (0.6%)

0.6% chance of guessing (anything less than 5% is good enough)

Another track from same challenge:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/10 20:56:12

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\Just_My_Imagination_A2.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\Just_My_Imagination_B2.wav

20:56:12 : Test started.
20:57:10 : 00/01 100.0%
20:57:21 : 01/02 75.0%
20:57:30 : 02/03 50.0%
20:57:41 : 03/04 31.3%
20:57:51 : 03/05 50.0%
20:58:02 : 04/06 34.4%
20:58:12 : 05/07 22.7%
20:58:19 : 06/08 14.5%
20:58:29 : 07/09 9.0%
20:58:40 : 08/10 5.5%
20:58:50 : 09/11 3.3%
20:59:00 : 10/12 1.9%
20:59:09 : 11/13 1.1%
20:59:19 : 12/14 0.6%
20:59:30 : 13/15 0.4%
20:59:41 : 13/16 1.1%
20:59:57 : Test finished.

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Total: 13/16 (1.1%)

1.1% chance of guessing.

Another track from same challenge:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/11 06:18:47

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\Mosaic_A2.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\Mosaic_B2.wav

06:18:47 : Test started.
06:19:38 : 00/01 100.0%
06:20:15 : 00/02 100.0%
06:20:47 : 01/03 87.5%
06:21:01 : 01/04 93.8%
06:21:20 : 02/05 81.3%
06:21:32 : 03/06 65.6%
06:21:48 : 04/07 50.0%
06:22:01 : 04/08 63.7%
06:22:15 : 05/09 50.0%
06:22:24 : 05/10 62.3%
06:23:15 : 06/11 50.0%
06:23:27 : 07/12 38.7%
06:23:36 : 08/13 29.1%
06:23:49 : 09/14 21.2%
06:24:02 : 10/15 15.1%
06:24:10 : 11/16 10.5%
06:24:20 : 12/17 7.2%
06:24:27 : 13/18 4.8%
06:24:35 : 14/19 3.2%
06:24:40 : 15/20 2.1%
06:24:46 : 16/21 1.3%
06:24:56 : 17/22 0.8%
06:25:04 : 18/23 0.5%
06:25:13 : 19/24 0.3%
06:25:25 : 20/25 0.2%
06:25:32 : 21/26 0.1%
06:25:38 : 22/27 0.1%
06:25:45 : 23/28 0.0%
06:25:51 : 24/29 0.0%
06:25:58 : 25/30 0.0%
06:26:24 : Test finished.

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Total: 25/30 (0.0%)

0.0% chance of guessing.

Satisfied yet?

I am a trained listener. Even though I don't have the high frequency hearing I had when I was younger, my ability to find artifacts in the rest of the spectrum is very good because a) I know how to conduct such tests and b) know what to listen for.
 

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Satisfied yet?

If I take all that at face value, my point still stands, anything that is missed in measurements and heard in subjective tests, points to a failure in testing methodology. If the methodology is correct, the measurements paint the complete picture and there is no need for subjective tests.

Are all those files available for download somewhere?
 

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Good ear, Amir.

Meanwhile I wonder about the value of discrete op-amps, especially in an environment where "discrete" is being touted as oh-so-much-better than integrated (look at everything Audio-GD makes).......
 

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If I take all that at face value, my point still stands, anything that is missed in measurements and heard in subjective tests, points to a failure in testing methodology. If the methodology is correct, the measurements paint the complete picture and there is no need for subjective tests.

Are all those files available for download somewhere?

You got that idea inverted. Hearing has way more room for nonsensical suggestions than measurements allow.
 
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If I take all that at face value, my point still stands, anything that is missed in measurements and heard in subjective tests, points to a failure in testing methodology.
Nothing was missed in the measurements. Measurements showed a difference. Question is how audible it is.

If the methodology is correct, the measurements paint the complete picture and there is no need for subjective tests.
Only if we achieve threshold of hearing. See this article I wrote a while back: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/audibility-of-small-distortions.67/

Anything above that is shades of gray. This is why when equipment gets to a certain point of performance, I anoint it "provably transparent."

Are all those files available for download somewhere?
Ethan's test is online some place. Archimago files were around a while back. I don't know now. Ditto for AIX. Arny's files were available from wayback machine of this ABX site. If you can't find these, just compress some files into 320 kbps MP3 and see how well you can tell it apart from the original.
 
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Meanwhile I wonder about the value of discrete op-amps, especially in an environment where "discrete" is being touted as oh-so-much-better than integrated (look at everything Audio-GD makes).......
Their value is definitely unproven and odds are against them doing any good.
 

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I have post plenty on my hearing abilities in the past including passing some of the most challenging tests ever put online. Here are results of such double blind tests conducted using ABX tool in Foobar2000.

Archimago test of 16 bits versus 24 bits:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/08/02 13:52:46

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Archimago\24-bit Audio Test (Hi-Res 24-96, FLAC, 2014)\01 - Sample A - Bozza - La Voie Triomphale.flac
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Archimago\24-bit Audio Test (Hi-Res 24-96, FLAC, 2014)\02 - Sample B - Bozza - La Voie Triomphale.flac

13:52:46 : Test started.
13:54:02 : 01/01 50.0%
13:54:11 : 01/02 75.0%
13:54:57 : 02/03 50.0%
13:55:08 : 03/04 31.3%
13:55:15 : 04/05 18.8%
13:55:24 : 05/06 10.9%
13:55:32 : 06/07 6.3%
13:55:38 : 07/08 3.5%
13:55:48 : 08/09 2.0%
13:56:02 : 09/10 1.1%
13:56:08 : 10/11 0.6%
13:56:28 : 11/12 0.3%
13:56:37 : 12/13 0.2%
13:56:49 : 13/14 0.1%
13:56:58 : 14/15 0.0%
13:57:05 : Test finished.

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Total: 14/15 (0.0%)

0.0% chance of guessing.

Difference between 24/96 kHz and 16/44.1 with file provided by the late ArnyK:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/24 20:27:41

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arnys Filter Test\keys jangling amir-converted 4416 2496.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arnys Filter Test\keys jangling full band 2496.wav

20:27:41 : Test started.
20:28:07 : 00/01 100.0%
20:28:25 : 00/02 100.0%
20:28:55 : 01/03 87.5%
20:29:02 : 02/04 68.8%
20:29:12 : 03/05 50.0%
20:29:20 : 04/06 34.4%
20:29:27 : 05/07 22.7%
20:29:36 : 06/08 14.5%
20:29:44 : 07/09 9.0%
20:29:55 : 08/10 5.5%
20:30:00 : 09/11 3.3%
20:30:07 : 10/12 1.9%
20:30:16 : 11/13 1.1%
20:30:22 : 12/14 0.6%
20:30:29 : 13/15 0.4%
20:30:36 : 14/16 0.2%
20:30:41 : 15/17 0.1%
20:30:53 : 16/18 0.1%
20:31:03 : 17/19 0.0%
20:31:07 : Test finished.

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Total: 17/19 (0.0%)

0.0% probably of chance.

320 kbps version of above against the original (ran as a challenge by someone as being impossible):
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/19 19:45:33

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arnys Filter Test\keys jangling 16 44.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arnys Filter Test\keys jangling 16 44_01.mp3

19:45:33 : Test started.
19:46:21 : 01/01 50.0%
19:46:35 : 02/02 25.0%
19:46:49 : 02/03 50.0%
19:47:03 : 03/04 31.3%
19:47:13 : 04/05 18.8%
19:47:27 : 05/06 10.9%
19:47:38 : 06/07 6.3%
19:47:46 : 07/08 3.5%
19:48:01 : 08/09 2.0%
19:48:19 : 09/10 1.1%
19:48:31 : 10/11 0.6%
19:48:45 : 11/12 0.3%
19:48:58 : 12/13 0.2%
19:49:11 : 13/14 0.1%
19:49:28 : 14/15 0.0%
19:49:52 : 15/16 0.0%
19:49:56 : Test finished.

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Total: 15/16 (0.0%)

0.0% chance of guessing.

Ethan Winer test of audibility of multiple passes through ADC/DAC (most difficult: single pass one):

foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/18 06:40:07

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Ethan Soundblaster\sb20x_original.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Ethan Soundblaster\sb20x_pass1.wav

06:40:07 : Test started.
06:41:03 : 01/01 50.0%
06:41:16 : 02/02 25.0%
06:41:24 : 03/03 12.5%
06:41:33 : 04/04 6.3%
06:41:53 : 05/05 3.1%
06:42:02 : 06/06 1.6%
06:42:22 : 07/07 0.8%
06:42:34 : 08/08 0.4%
06:42:43 : 09/09 0.2%
06:42:56 : 10/10 0.1%
06:43:08 : 11/11 0.0%
06:43:16 : Test finished.

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Total: 11/11 (0.0%)

0.0% chance of guessing.

Audibility of low frequency jitter challenge as again provided by the late Arnyk:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/09 09:31:59

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arny's 30 Hz Jitter File\Arny's new files\no jitter.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\Arny's 30 Hz Jitter File\Arny's new files\30 Hz jitter marginal level .00625.wav

09:31:59 : Test started.
09:32:47 : 01/01 50.0%
09:32:58 : 02/02 25.0%
09:33:09 : 03/03 12.5%
09:33:22 : 04/04 6.3%
09:33:33 : 04/05 18.8%
09:34:03 : 05/06 10.9%
09:34:18 : 06/07 6.3%
09:34:30 : 07/08 3.5%
09:34:46 : 08/09 2.0%
09:34:56 : 08/10 5.5%
09:35:19 : 09/11 3.3%
09:35:34 : 10/12 1.9%
09:35:49 : 11/13 1.1%
09:36:38 : 12/14 0.6%
09:37:21 : 12/15 1.8%
09:37:41 : 13/16 1.1%
09:37:52 : 14/17 0.6%
09:38:13 : 15/18 0.4%
09:38:26 : 16/19 0.2%
09:38:39 : 17/20 0.1%
09:38:45 : Test finished.

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Total: 17/20 (0.1%)

0.1% chance of guessing.

Public challenge on AVS Forum on differences between 24 bit/96 kHz and CD rate with content from AIX:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/10 18:50:44

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\On_The_Street_Where_You_Live_A2.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\On_The_Street_Where_You_Live_B2.wav

18:50:44 : Test started.
18:51:25 : 00/01 100.0%
18:51:38 : 01/02 75.0%
18:51:47 : 02/03 50.0%
18:51:55 : 03/04 31.3%
18:52:05 : 04/05 18.8%
18:52:21 : 05/06 10.9%
18:52:32 : 06/07 6.3%
18:52:43 : 07/08 3.5%
18:52:59 : 08/09 2.0%
18:53:10 : 09/10 1.1%
18:53:19 : 10/11 0.6%
18:53:23 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/11 (0.6%)

0.6% chance of guessing (anything less than 5% is good enough)

Another track from same challenge:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/10 20:56:12

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\Just_My_Imagination_A2.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\Just_My_Imagination_B2.wav

20:56:12 : Test started.
20:57:10 : 00/01 100.0%
20:57:21 : 01/02 75.0%
20:57:30 : 02/03 50.0%
20:57:41 : 03/04 31.3%
20:57:51 : 03/05 50.0%
20:58:02 : 04/06 34.4%
20:58:12 : 05/07 22.7%
20:58:19 : 06/08 14.5%
20:58:29 : 07/09 9.0%
20:58:40 : 08/10 5.5%
20:58:50 : 09/11 3.3%
20:59:00 : 10/12 1.9%
20:59:09 : 11/13 1.1%
20:59:19 : 12/14 0.6%
20:59:30 : 13/15 0.4%
20:59:41 : 13/16 1.1%
20:59:57 : Test finished.

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Total: 13/16 (1.1%)

1.1% chance of guessing.

Another track from same challenge:
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.3.2
2014/07/11 06:18:47

File A: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\Mosaic_A2.wav
File B: C:\Users\Amir\Music\AIX AVS Test files\Mosaic_B2.wav

06:18:47 : Test started.
06:19:38 : 00/01 100.0%
06:20:15 : 00/02 100.0%
06:20:47 : 01/03 87.5%
06:21:01 : 01/04 93.8%
06:21:20 : 02/05 81.3%
06:21:32 : 03/06 65.6%
06:21:48 : 04/07 50.0%
06:22:01 : 04/08 63.7%
06:22:15 : 05/09 50.0%
06:22:24 : 05/10 62.3%
06:23:15 : 06/11 50.0%
06:23:27 : 07/12 38.7%
06:23:36 : 08/13 29.1%
06:23:49 : 09/14 21.2%
06:24:02 : 10/15 15.1%
06:24:10 : 11/16 10.5%
06:24:20 : 12/17 7.2%
06:24:27 : 13/18 4.8%
06:24:35 : 14/19 3.2%
06:24:40 : 15/20 2.1%
06:24:46 : 16/21 1.3%
06:24:56 : 17/22 0.8%
06:25:04 : 18/23 0.5%
06:25:13 : 19/24 0.3%
06:25:25 : 20/25 0.2%
06:25:32 : 21/26 0.1%
06:25:38 : 22/27 0.1%
06:25:45 : 23/28 0.0%
06:25:51 : 24/29 0.0%
06:25:58 : 25/30 0.0%
06:26:24 : Test finished.

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Total: 25/30 (0.0%)

0.0% chance of guessing.

Satisfied yet?

I am a trained listener. Even though I don't have the high frequency hearing I had when I was younger, my ability to find artifacts in the rest of the spectrum is very good because a) I know how to conduct such tests and b) know what to listen for.
Brilliant! Thanks Amir, I am an objective audiophile when it comes to the basic specs but I trust your subjective impressions.
 

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If I take all that at face value, my point still stands, anything that is missed in measurements and heard in subjective tests, points to a failure in testing methodology. If the methodology is correct, the measurements paint the complete picture and there is no need for subjective tests.

Are all those files available for download somewhere?
People might shout at me for saying this, I feel the current testing standards of the industry don't capture the whole essence of the audio whereas for a display/video this if 100% foolproof.
 

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People might shout at me for saying this, I feel the current testing standards of the industry don't capture the whole essence of the audio whereas for a display/video this if 100% foolproof.

100% foolproof? Depends on what you're testing for. There are good arguments that LCD and OLED technology are a step back from CRT technology when it comes to overall visual fidelity:


Anyway thanks for taking a look at some of these opamps. I've read some reasoned arguments that if a device is designed well and had good component choices at the start, swapping opamps has a very low probability to improve anything, and can make things worse. Nonetheless, there's lots of people who advocate opamp "rolling" (why they call it rolling and not swapping is beyond me, I feel like anyone who uses the term rolling is sending up a red flag), and are willing to spend a lot of money and time on swapping opamps.
 

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100% foolproof? Depends on what you're testing for. There are good arguments that LCD and OLED technology are a step back from CRT technology when it comes to overall visual fidelity:

LCD and OLED as technologies are a massive step forward. The only argument to be made is that modern TVs don't do a very good job scaling video signals from 25 year old game consoles. Perhaps some games were also coded in a way that presented the visuals in a certain way on a CRT, but that's not an indictment of LCD/OLED.
 

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LCD isn't, unless you hate contrast and low latency. Only OLED and microLED technologies can help us reach the future SED/FED was supposed to be.
And I say that as someone with an expensive Eizo monitor.
 
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