Really indeedreally?
i wouldn't say that being sold for half or less than MSRP approaches even regular production 911s, let alone the limited editions...
Really indeedreally?
i wouldn't say that being sold for half or less than MSRP approaches even regular production 911s, let alone the limited editions...
wow. c'mon man. 1) that's the UK, who drive on the wrong side, so of course the prices are lower (jealous as hell of your car market). take a look at mobile.de and it's a different story. 2) the "cheap as chips" ones are the (undeservedly, imo) unloved 996s, and majority cabrio and 4s at that. just go the the next, much more loved generation and you there isn't a single 997 under 20k pounds on ebay (since that's what you chose) even in the UK.
Thanks for confirming what I meant in a round about wayunder half msrp is par for the course in speakerlandia. the Salon 2s aren't special as far as resale goes. the previously mentioned limited Dynaudio release is better (for now) as are, for example Genelec Ones (going by historical "sold" data on hifishark). hell, KEF's "old" Blades (both one and two) seem to be holding up relatively better even though they just released the Meta updated versions
then what you meant and what you said are two different thingsThanks for confirming what I meant in a round about way
I am sorry I missed the limited editions bit and reacted to the very high drop in price of 911 in general.i asked if there are speakers that hold their value as well as 911 limited editions...
Let's keep in mind that the 911 is, whime well enginered, still att best a gimmick-car because of the wonky design choice of placing the treble... uhm, I mean the engine... uhrm... ... In fact, I think B&W might be EXACTLY the 911 GT3 of HiFi speakers!B&W is more like a Lamborghini, or maybe a Jaguar, loud, brash, lots of technology, decent looks, doesn't perform for sh**. Porsche's engineering standards and performance per dollar are way beyond B&W. Much more of a scalpel. (...)
it was a gimmick many decades ago, today it's one of the best performing sports cars in the world, outpacing in many (if not all, depending on exact models) metrics, from acceleration to handling, much fancier supercars.Let's keep in mind that the 911 is, whime well enginered, still att best a gimmick-car because of the wonky design choice of placing the treble... uhm, I mean the engine... uhrm... ... In fact, I think B&W might be EXACTLY the 911 GT3 of HiFi speakers!
the "around 1k" Genelecs?What's the Toyota GR86 equivalent to? I'm perfectly fine with Toyota
Let's keep in mind that the 911 is, whime well enginered, still att best a gimmick-car because of the wonky design choice of placing the treble... uhm, I mean the engine... uhrm... ... In fact, I think B&W might be EXACTLY the 911 GT3 of HiFi speakers!
haha, yeah, GrumpyOldMan is more or less right, at least about the compromise of the 911's engine placement. Yes, they have done wonders to develop a suspension that compensates for the less than optimal engine placement, and the water cooled cars have been gradually moving the engine forward a bit to reduce the overhang, but there is no doubt that if the Cayman were allowed to take the Porsche halo car mantle from the 911 it would rapidly surpass it's performance. Now if you look at the mis-matched driver loads and resistance swings of some of the mid-to-upper end B&W's, then yes I suppose you could say B&W has compensated rather well for a basic design handicap, although maybe it's amplifier design that has had to compensate for the bad speaker design, so maybe B&W is more like Windows and amplifiers are Intel.it was a gimmick many decades ago, today it's one of the best performing sports cars in the world, outpacing in many (if not all, depending on exact models) metrics, from acceleration to handling, much fancier supercars.
it just deepens the comparison with KEF, i guess? the coaxials were kinda gimmicky many decades ago, but now or some of the best drivers around
It’s a Dodge ViperB&W is more like a Lamborghini, or maybe a Jaguar, loud, brash, lots of technology, decent looks, doesn't perform for sh**. Porsche's engineering standards and performance per dollar are way beyond B&W. Much more of a scalpel. KEF could be good as mentioned, not sure what else matches the analogy since a lot of the best speakers out there can't approach cars for hours of engineering or history of development effort. maybe the top end of the Revel or Elac ranges?
Disagree about the lack of dynamics comment, this is where horn loaded speakers usually excel.It is very efficient, but lack dynamic (when playing classical music) and the horn tweeter characteristic is an acquired taste.
Until the next generation of Ultimas gets released. It sells for half price or less these days but it is an OLD OLD model. I don’t know of any speaker that does well.Revel Salon2 does well…
I guess that’s why because they sold about five pairs…Until the next generation of Ultimas gets released. It sells for half price or less these days but it is an OLD OLD model. I don’t know of any speaker that does well.
My Bentley Continental of speakers is the TAD Reference One. Priced well beyond what I’m willing to pay even in the used market. I guess that makes my 911 of speakers the TAD Compact Reference One.
I guess that’s why because they sold about five pairs…
Funny you referenced that. I was with Siegfried at that CES. The speakers indeed sounded, and looked fabulous. However, they were laboratory experiments; exceedingly small numbers were produced and even less were sold.I've attended a demo by Andrew Jones of the Reference Ones partnered with D600 CD player, C600 preamp and M700 monos.
Annoyingly loud at times but one of the best commercial speakers I've listened to.
Linkwitz agreed: https://www.linkwitzlab.com/design_of_loudspeakers.htm#B