They have looked around properly, because one of our members is adamant?
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Truth to be said is that while it speeds up and simplifies the process of measuring loudspeakers it is not a must, most companies with currently some of the best measuring loudspeakers like Genelec, Neumann, Revel, KEF etc. also don't have one.
With $100k for example a lot of design, modelling and simulation software can be acquired which is also important (if not even more) for excellent engineering.
With $100k for example a lot of design, modelling and simulation software can be acquired which is also important (if not even more) for excellent engineering.
By the way - I matched HifiNews' measurements to Amir's scaling and a 20k cutoff. That definitely qualifies as "neutral" on axis to me... Could it be better? Sure. But it sure as hell isn't a trash fire like some in this thread say.
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Do you have some examples of people saying here they are trash fire? I have rather the impression that most agree here that they measure ok, not just SOTA anymore as they might have been 30 years ago, especially considering their current pricing.
Yes, I'm not going to tag them because I don't really appreciate their attitude, but their username starts with an I.
I’ve been tinkering with my target curve and tilted the treble down a little, as you suggest. Sounds sweeter - thanks!
That’s great , you might try moving the speakers back closer to the front wall, ( if they aren’t already) that should give you a bit more bass and if any particular frequency begins to excite the room you can cut the top of the peak with eq.
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This seems to be a toolkit for analysis of drivers behavior and rather advanced one. https://www.klippel.de/fileadmin/klippel/Files/Brochures/R_D_Brochure.pdf
Considering that ATC primarily specializes in driver development, it makes most sense to them.
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No Klippel NFS at ATC, but is this so important ?
ATC has decades of experience in drivers and loudspeaker design, an anechoic chamber, and is a serious company that doesn't tell bullshit about the sound of cables, power chords, break in period, etc.
Okay, they're too pricey and very conservative. Companies like Genelec, Neumann, PSI, Kii and a few others have the edge over ATC now IMHO.
But it doesn't mean ATC is not good because it doesn't use Klippel NFS.
The best tool is nothing without the intelligence and experience of its users.
ATC has decades of experience in drivers and loudspeaker design, an anechoic chamber, and is a serious company that doesn't tell bullshit about the sound of cables, power chords, break in period, etc.
Okay, they're too pricey and very conservative. Companies like Genelec, Neumann, PSI, Kii and a few others have the edge over ATC now IMHO.
But it doesn't mean ATC is not good because it doesn't use Klippel NFS.
The best tool is nothing without the intelligence and experience of its users.
They have their own anechoic chamber?
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Yes, for testing their mid-dome driver. It can be seen in the factory tour video.
All Anechoic chambers are not alike. Huge difference in capabilities between a 200hz and 20hz anechoic chamber. I'm not even sure if 20hz anechoics exist.
Also remember the NFS' advantages beyond the room independence and low frequency resolution. It automatically captures measurements in a sphere (or cylinder) around the DUT; in all three dimensions, automatically, with high precision. The quality of the data about the soundfield is superior to measurements taken in the horizontal+vertical.
Yes the NFS takes hours, but doing what it does with a less automated system could take days-weeks.
Also remember the NFS' advantages beyond the room independence and low frequency resolution. It automatically captures measurements in a sphere (or cylinder) around the DUT; in all three dimensions, automatically, with high precision. The quality of the data about the soundfield is superior to measurements taken in the horizontal+vertical.
Yes the NFS takes hours, but doing what it does with a less automated system could take days-weeks.
They do look nice. Is ATC good stuff?
Limited to just 150 pairs, the 2-way active stand-mount design (US Retail $13,999 per pair).
To support the SCM20ASL Limited Edition, a limited run of 20 of ATC’s new 12” active subwoofer, the C4 Sub Mk2 Limited Edition (US Retail $9,999 each).
In France there is a saying that goes:" it's in old pots that we make the best soups" ATC seems to apply it.
That must be a fake ATC speaker, the drivers are not even in the same position as the original model.
But this is a special edition, not the original SCM20.That must be a fake ATC speaker, the drivers are not even in the same position as the original model.
Similar things already happened before at ATC.
You are probably right, I just found it strange that the drivers are positioned differently in height than the regular SCM20.
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