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Any measurement on Gryphon Diablo 300?

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No way to tell unless you measure it. It could be "meh" or fantastic. No way to tell. I like the design, but unless I had some measurements I would never buy one.
 

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They have technical spec sheet on the site and its no where near the performance based on that alone
 

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It sure does look nice.

I bet there are fewer than 50 of those in the USA, so good luck finding an owner who can loan one to Amir.
 

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There's way more then 50 of them... good joke.
I'd bet the cost of this $15,000 integrated amplifier that there are not more than 50 of them in the USA. The market for these devices is tiny, especially stateside, where audio is not a high-status hobby, and there are many other competing very expensive devices. These are sold in tiny volumes with enormous margins.

So, no, there is very little chance that there are more than 50 in the United States. Probably fewer than 25.
 

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You're right about everything except about how many of them they sell. You can think whatever you like, though.
 

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A quick google search brought up some measurements for the 120 integrated. https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/i...ac&catid=97:amplifier-measurements&Itemid=154

This is a newer model so perhaps it measures better. Logically speaking that would be the case.

If you aren't already aware of this I'll let you in on a secret. This stuff is audio jewellery. The measurements will more often then not be inferior to state of the art stuff being put out by companies like Benchmark. When you buy a product from one of these European companies, you are not buying a performance machine, you are buying into marketing, the prestige of owning something special, and the exquisite build quality. Sound wise, it's probably all there, Amir has said himself that most people cannot hear any of the differences between something with 80 SINAD and 140 SINAD, but buying into this ultra high end gear with expectations that just because its ultra high end it will out perform the Benchmark stuff is a flawed way to go into this. You buy this stuff to show off to your friends and make yourself feel better. That's it. If you're looking for the best measured performance stick with the Benchmark. ;)
 
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You're right about everything except about how many of them they sell. You can think whatever you like, though.
Nope, I'm right about everything. You'd be astounded how few products most ultra-high-end audio companies actually sell.

The smarter (from a business perspective) European companies, including Gryphon and Goldmund, focus on the more lucrative Asian market. But if you stroll around the Adelphi Mall in Singapore once a year, you'll see how slowly these products move even there.
 

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I think it's ugly, looks like 3 mismatched components with the feet removed stacked on top of each other.
I couldn't disagree more. That thing looks amazing. Love the high tech 80s look. It looks like a drug dealer's penthouse in a Steven Segal movie. Certainly more stylish than the tacky script on the Benchmark products.
 

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I am not astounded, I know that some ultra high end products sell maybe a dozen units a year. I will humour you, though.

The Gryphon Diablo 300 has been out for well over 10 years now. It is very well known in audiophile circles and is a decent seller. I obviously have no idea but there are probably thousands of them out in the wild at this point. Way more then 50. My local dealer sold 10 of them last year. And this is the Canadian market. Imagine how many more they sell every year in the USA, and in the last 10 years.
 
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I am not astounded, I know that some ultra high end products sell maybe a dozen units a year. I will humour you, though.

The Gryphon Diablo 300 has been out for well over 10 years now. It is very well known in audiophile circles and is a decent seller. I obviously have no idea but there are probably thousands of them out in the wild at this point. Way more then 50. My local dealer sold 10 of them last year. I have no reason to suspect he was lying. And this is the Canadian market. Imagine how many more they sell every year in the USA, and in the last 10 years.

I think it's you who would be astounded how well these companies are actually doing if you took a closer look at the market. Granted, the Diablo 300 is a bit of an exception.
I know the owner (the actual owner, not the public face of the company) of one of the world's largest and most lauded high-end audio companies. He told me how many speakers they sell a year, and I couldn't believe it how small the number was. They frequently have products on the covers of TAS and other rags. The vast majority of their sales take place in Asia. They do a tiny amount of very high-margin business in North America.

Your local dealer is probably lying. Most high-end audio dealers have been known to do that (not Nice Cans and not Purite Audio, both honest dealers of equipment that's actually excellent).
 
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Not much to contribute, but I've heard one of these pushing some Magico's not too long ago at Goodwin's high end (in Boston suburbs). It its a great looking piece, solid ergonomics. When you look at it, you just know its expensive (opposed to some Sim Audio stuff IMHO). But hard to find dealers (and even pricing) here in the states
 

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This blurb from their advertising made me wince:

Nearly 10 years ago, the Gryphon Diablo brought newfound credibility and respectability to the humble integrated amplifier. Previously the object of widespread scorn from audiophiles, the full potential of the integrated amplifier was finally realised in the Gryphon Diablo

I know it's their website and they're selling themselves and their product, but even so this is just nonsense.
 

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Performance and price do not correlate I'm afraid.
Right.... but I never mentioned performance or subjective views on how it sounded. There were comments above regarding looks and having seen and used it first hand, I say that it looks and feels price appropriate
 

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