I like to spread the risk. I was using the H67 board for many years until I "inherited" the Z77 board recently. The H67 has non-functional HDMI ports and non-functional USB 3 ports but everything else worked fine. A testament to the robustness of MBs I think. I will definitely not put another penny into this platform but if I were an AM4 owner (other family members are), I would still consider it viable for at least the next 5 years. AM5 promises similar longevity.
I have been upgrading on the AM4 Ryzen family platform...
| X670E (Dual Chipset) (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM5) | X570 (Single Chipset) (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_chipsets) | |
| Chipset lanes | PCIe 4.0 x12 / PCIe 3.0 x8 | PCIe 4.0 x16 |
| AMD Crossfire | Yes | Yes |
| NVidia SLI | No | Yes |
| USB 2.0 | 12 | 4 |
| USB 3.2 Gen 1 (5 Gb/s) | 0 | 0 |
| USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gb/s) | 8 | 8 |
| USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20 Gb/s) | 2 (Depending on MB Config) | 0 |
| SATA Ports | 8 | 12 |
| RAID | 0, 1, 10 | 0, 1, 10 |
| CPU Overclocking | Yes | Yes |
| Chipset To CPU | PCIe 4.0 x4 (From First Chipset). | PCIe 4.0 x4 |
| Chipset To Chipset | PCIe 4.0 x4 |
| Part | Option | Cost | Shop | Ordered | Received | Notes |
| CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 7900 | £ 400.00 | Scan | Yes | Yes | As fast as 7900X with PBO enabled |
| CPU Cooler | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 | £ 39.00 | Amazon | Yes | Yes | Should fit, will lower noise and help with PBO |
| Motherboard | GIGABYTE B650M Gaming X AX | £ 150.00 | Novatech | Yes | No | |
| Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32GB DDR5-6000 EXPO | £ 113.00 | Amazon | Yes | Yes | 6000Mhz is sweat spot, EXPO Support |
| Video Card | Asus AMD Radeon DUAL RX6650 XT OC 8GB | £ 254.00 | OcUK | No | - | inc. £25 rebate. Will work in old PC if I upgrade |
| Storage | Kingston KC3000 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD 2TB | £ 118.00 | Ballicom | Yes | Yes | Can add cheaper 2nd drive for capacity |
| Case | Fractal Design Pop Mini Silent | £ 65.00 | TND | Yes | Yes | inc. £10 coupon |
| Power Supply | Be Quiet! 750W Pure Power 12 M | £ 108.00 | TND | Yes | No | Need 600W+ for GPU upgrade, want ATX 3.0 and 80+ Gold or better |
| USB-C Upgrade | Fractal Design Model-D USB Type-C Cable | £ 15.00 | Novatech | Yes | No | inc. £5 delivery |
| Total | £ 1,262.00 |
I needed more cores for the VM... the 5700g did the job very well...
The bus interface used is only an issue if you are maxing it out... Nothing I currently do on my setup, gets anywhere near maxing out PCI 4...After many months of seeing AM5 (1st gen) on the market, I don't care about it as much as I thought. Most AM5 CPU's have good performance, The motherboards have good features but not great prices, and the X670E chipset just sucks ass. Hopefully X770 will actually be PCIe 5.0.
Chipset:
First off, X670E is dumb. Dual chipsets sound nice but there connected like a train. The 2 chipsets are connected together via PCIe 4.0 x4 and the first chipset connected to the CPU is PCIe 4.0 x4, wtf. X670E chipsets literally feel like 2 revised X570 chipsets working together and at the time, a concept.. Everybody was hoping that all the new chipsets would be PCIe 5.0 not 4.0. You can have the most USB ports, M.2 spots, SATA ports but what matters is the link speed between the CPU and the Chipset, which Intel kicked AMDs ass (Intel's Z790 is PCIe 4.0 x8). God, I can't imagine the latency problems with a device going through a chipset, then another, then finally the CPU.
*The 2nd x4 is actually 5.0 not 4.0.
If your curious on the differences between X670E and X570:
X670E (Dual Chipset) (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM5) X570 (Single Chipset) (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_chipsets) Chipset lanes PCIe 4.0 x12 / PCIe 3.0 x8 PCIe 4.0 x16 AMD Crossfire Yes Yes NVidia SLI No Yes USB 2.0 12 4 USB 3.2 Gen 1 (5 Gb/s) 0 0 USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gb/s) 8 8 USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20 Gb/s) 2 (Depending on MB Config) 0 SATA Ports 8 12 RAID 0, 1, 10 0, 1, 10 CPU Overclocking Yes Yes Chipset To CPU PCIe 4.0 x4 (From First Chipset). PCIe 4.0 x4 Chipset To Chipset PCIe 4.0 x4
CPU's:
AMD 7900X, 7950X, 7800X, etc were good chips at reasonable prices. When the 7950X3D came out, it was a shit show. Instead of having a built in scheduler (That tells the cores which workload to do) like Intel's, AMD decided to go with Windows built in one. AMD decided to once again not include which really backfired. Other AMD CPUs didn't have one but the difference was the 7950X was a chiplet design rather being an all-in-one design. The AMD drivers barely helped the poor 7950X3D and a good chunk of the time, workloads would be placed onto the "back burner" cores. The combo of having a chiplet design and having no custom scheduler was so horrible that sometimes the cheaper cousin, the 7800X3D would actually beat it in games. Ironically the 7950X was better at productivity, which is another blow. The 7950X3D was terrible at gaming and at doing productive workloads. The 7950X3D sent a message, AMD was slowing going back to there Bulldozer days of not giving a fuck.
The thing that Intel doesn't have is PCIe bifurcation. AM5 can gladly still do it and on top of it, have 24 PCIe lanes instead of Intel's 13th gen 20 PCIe lanes. Intel's 12th/13th gen CPUs has 500 more CPU pins then 10th/11th gen and yet they removed a feature, how the fuck do you even do that?
I hope you catch (now when you already ordered) rev 1.1 of that motherboard so that you have Intel WiFi (and BT 5.3 but that's less important) instead of MTK one.
- The FX4500 was roughly equivalent to the consumer NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX 512 which retailed for £600-ish. The FX4500 was a beast, I had to build a new PC to host it. It would have been my first PCI-e graphics card Thats why I love modern x8/x8 motherboards. If the card performs well at x8 instead of x16, why not use the other x8 for 2 full-speed M.2 drive slots.
The 4070 is a shit card. $600 for 12 gigs of VRAM, fuck that.
Had plethora of 2000 GPU's at that time. Starting nv GeForce3 Ti200, Rv 9200 and 9700 unlocked later, but I doubt those days will repeat nor that any of today's GPU's will reach value on long term those had (especially Radeon 9700/9800).Yeah, I noticed the two revisions of the board. I don't plan to use the Wi-fi, but may use the Bluetooth so the rev. 1.1 board with the Intel chip would be preferable, but not a game changer for me. Also, Novatech were over £30 cheaper than the next competitor with stock...
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My current PC has Noctua fans with a Noctua speed controller and is basically silent under normal desktop loads. The Fractal Design fans in the case and Thermalright ones on the cooler are supposed to be pretty good, so I'll build the new PC and compare before making a decision on fan replacement.
I think the RTX 4070's is overpriced for it's performance, although it's lower power consumption and potentially lower noise does redeem it somewhat. It's available for around £550 in the UK (already well under £600 list price), it might come into consideration for me if it hits £500, but will probably need to be compared to the RX 7800/7700 by the time that happens. Also: https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...an old saying that,just-launched RTX 4070 GPU.
Incidentally, all this looking at GPUs and current price performance made me thing about the cards i've had in the past...
I had an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in 2004 which I watercooled and OC'd in a very compact case (a Soltek Qbic which was similar to the Shuttle ones).
In 2006 I was given an NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 by Dell, which was nice as it retailed for £2500 at the time
The 1080 Ti is a good card but the pricing is still iffy on the used market (~$200 USD). The 1080, man you can find one for between ~$110 to ~$150 USD, and sometimes even under $100. 3060 Tis perform about the same as a 1080 ti but they command a $100 over a gtx 1080 ti, so why not just get a 1080 ti if your going used anyways? Old flagship cards (like a 3090) still command high used prices that are high.5800X3D is the GOAT CPU for a long time, like the 1080Ti was to video cards. Stuff is just too expensive now and a lot of people don't find the newer games worth it or they have good performance from their old hardware. (Like me) I could always find a used 5700XT and actually be upgrading if my card dies. Kinda curious about the 7700//7600/4060Ti but like I said i don't need to upgrade. Also my monitor crapped on me and I'm back to 1080p. I'd rather get a PS5 if i spent $500~
^^I remember when people were scooping those up for cheap used just to run distributed computing projects on all their PCs
