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FYI I am now banned from Tekton facebook page even though he claimed he was not going to let me post there.
Wow, it’s almost as if his behavior is erratic and dishonest!
FYI I am now banned from Tekton facebook page even though he claimed he was not going to let me post there.
My man, IMHO it’s time to ignore this ignorant goddamned fool and move on. Life’s too short to spend it with emotionally broken simpletons.FYI I am now banned from Tekton facebook page even though he claimed he was not going to let me post there.
Aren’t all parents Maybe Tektons have more garnishhis patent seems to be nothing more or other than word salad.
stevehoffman
posted on April 10
Um Tekton?……seriously….. no
We have a speaker manufacturer threatening to litigate against Audio reviewers? Heck no Most of the reviewers get paid very little and do a service to...forums.stevehoffman.tv
Amir responded in this thread. The thread was closed by their moderators today.
Amir responded in this thread. The thread was closed by their moderators today.
TBF it was by request of thread starter. That said, the animosity is startling.
There were doing that before I went there! It didn't take them long (page 2?) before they turned into "we hate ASR" messages. That was more important to them that rallying behind the great cause of having fair reviews without intimidation from companies. That they asked me to leave when they literally put me in the OP, and by OP himself, is beyond rational.I've been a member of the SH Forums for close to 20 years. Usually I just discuss music and releases there, but I do wade into the equipment forum as well. I was surprised just how quickly several posters became upset and went on the attack against ASR and Amir in particular, telling him to leave and saying that particular thread was not about him...............but yet Amir and ASR were right in the middle of this whole Tekton fiasco, so that logic made no sense to me.
There were doing that before I went there! It didn't take them long (page 2?) before they turned into "we hate ASR" messages. That was more important to them that rallying behind the great cause of having fair reviews without intimidation from companies. That they asked me to leave when they literally put me in the OP, and by OP himself, is beyond rational.
I'll never understand why some people seem to get upset about audio equipment measurements and what ASR does here. I tend to believe that people who are into audio are very passionate about their equipment, and maybe slightly OCD, so perhaps that is why some people get so upset......but at the end of the day a person can buy whatever they want to buy and can afford, and can still enjoy their equipment even if it gets unfavorable measurements and a lower scored review at ASR.
Oh, one more note: there is a Hoffman forum member with the username pdxway who was one of the folks @amirm went back and forth with, and who earlier posted a couple dozen comments in the thread, all gratuitously bringing Amir and ASR into the discussion because he's made that he was banned over here. I don't know why he was banned (he said way, but of course I view his own explanation as self-serving and untrustworthy), but he's got a huge ax to grind. I don't know if he had the same username here or not.
Oh you are very kind. But not necessary. I fully know their culture. I think I have only posted there three times over the last few years. The first time it was so miserable that makes this thread look nice! The second time it was actually pleasant as a few people appreciated what I do and were surprised I was posting there. On basis of that, I was hoping I would be welcomed a bit more which turned out to be the case.As I have been a member there for so long, I feel like I should apologize to you for how you were treated. There are posters there like me that do value what you and ASR do for the audio world.
What I couldn't understand was the OP claiming he could "nuke" his thread. Do people there have the permission to delete their threads?
As far as I know, an OP cannot control and delete threads he or she creates. The OP has to reach out to a moderator and request they do that. What I have seen most often is an OP reaching out to a mod to change the title of a thread, or merging a thread with an existing similar one.
This is my understanding as well.
The only audio forum I'm aware of where users are (or at least were in the past) given moderation authority over threads they started was AudiophileStyle, and I believe there it is (or was) just certain threads or certain types of threads. I don't recall the details, so someone please correct me if I've gotten it totally wrong. And I don't participate there anymore so even if I'm exactly right I don't know if it's still the case.
It also would have been closed eventually anyway, because there is a rule at the Hoffman forums that discussion/debate of the merits or demerits of blind testing is against forum rules. Folks can argue about other elements that are part of the objectivist-subjectivist debate (like for example whether CDs with identical digital data but pressed at different plants sound the same or different) - but arguing about blind testing is forbidden.
I am not defending this rule, just passing along the information that it exists.
As for the animosity that @Victor Martell notes, yes, it is quite marked, because the issues @amirm raised in many of his comments in that thread cut to the heart of the belief that a critical mass of Hoffman members (and Hoffman himself) have: that their ears trump measurements, measurements don't tell the whole story, and so on. It's a culture clash and when it's addressed head-on, folks there can get defensive, dismissive, nasty, the whole gamut.
I find the Hoffman forums quite fun and useful for discussing music and for getting information about different pressings and masterings of albums. But when it comes to equipment and the principles of hi-fi sound reproduction and so on, I come here.