Legal fund for Reviewers/Erin?

[amirm]

I offered that in my first reply to Eric Alexander. I told him I would not only post his measurements demonstrating my "mistakes," I would even make a specific thread for it and promote it to home page. His response? He would only deliver such information as part of a video that he would create post litigation.

 

[ta240]

It is not fun arguing with people that are irrational. Your arguments are going into a world where things aren't as they are here.

I once saw a comic talking about a guy screaming at him in traffic and the guy got out of his car and came up to his window and continued yelling. So (supposedly) the comic looked at him and said "I want my coat back!" "I didn't give it to you I just loaned it to you" "give it back, you are stretching it all out!" and the guy looked at him weird and went back to his car.

 

[andrewjohn007]

That was an ill advised reply on his part. Smacks of bad faith.

 

[kemmler3D]

Tekton just lost Zero Fidelity, who took his respective videos down. I believe one was the most viewed Tekton video on the internet at 100k+. Brutal.

Oh no, cancel culture!!

It is fun arguing with people that are irrational. Your arguments are going into a world where things aren't as they are here.

I once saw a comic talking about a guy screaming at him in traffic and the guy got out of his car and came up to his window and continued yelling. So (supposedly) the comic looked at him and said "I want my coat back!" "I didn't give it to you I just loaned it to you" "give it back, you are stretching it all out!" and the guy looked at him weird and went back to his car.

Honestly I wish someone had tried to have fun with EA like that instead of taking him seriously.

When he says the measurement angle is wrong, come back with something about graviton flux through the magnetic field lines, or voice coil over-tensioning, I bet he would keep BSing without missing a beat.

 

[Great Sun Jester]

come back with something about graviton flux through the magnetic field lines, or voice coil over-tensioning, I bet he would keep BSing without missing a beat.

Exactly, he is cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

 

[Inertiaman]

Exactly, he is cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

Do you have measurements to support that assertion?

 

[ta240]

Tekton just lost Zero Fidelity, who took his respective videos down. I believe one was the most viewed Tekton video on the internet at 100k+. Brutal.

I know know he isn't popular here because he does subjective reviews but I always enjoy his work. I like his laid-back style and willingness to point out negatives about products.

 

[Bruce Morgen]

Honestly I wish someone had tried to have fun with EA like that instead of taking him seriously.

 

[Tranquility Bass]

What sort of speaker designer would design a speaker with unintentional cabinet leaks that could have easily been rectified by the manufacturer ? If the feet are integral with the proper operation of the speaker then they should be a permanent fixture and not be able to be removed or a warning label placed on each corner of the box saying that the feet are needed to be screwed in for proper operation. A bit of Loctite and silicone sealant would work wonders here. Such an easy fix instead of resorting to ambulence chasing lawyers

I had a similar problem with a barage of legal threats from the owner of stereonet when one of my forum members exposed them for anti-competetive behaviour. Instead of suing the poster he came after me to have the thread shutdown on the basis of defamation because he knew that the evidence was irrefutable but chose to keep running the racket by silencing the debate. However, you can't defame someone based on evidence which represents the truth so I just ignored the threats and they eventually went away. It was a similar experience as Erin is having where the complainant was dictating what I could or couldn't post on my own forum. Initially you feel threatened by them but for someone who has experience with corporate bullies and thugs I wasn't going to let them get their way.

I've had people critique my products in the past so instead of trying to silence debate I just take heed of the advice or work with the people and offer a better solution or make the product better the next time around otherwise when you go down the slippery path of censorship then no one will bother to improve anything.

 

[Old Iron]

It is so sad this entire problem is derived from a dispute of such a simple measurement issue! On axis/off axis and impedance sweep!

One of my clients for apx 20 years is a physics lab in MD. Our focus is high temperature superconductors. ie, room temperature. Gravity Wave detection among other challenges.
I provide the design, R&D and fabrication for whatever the need.

One request was for a DC coupled wide band AC preamp that can resolve sub Nano-Volt transition pulses. In a cryostat system working down to 0.800 Kelvin.
Or design a system so we can machine groves or holes 1.2 microns in Ruby and ceramic substrates with our Pico second pulsed laser.

In my book that is challenging work.

 

[Inertiaman]

It is so sad this entire problem is derived from a dispute of such a simple measurement issue! On axis/off axis and impedance sweep!

That's sort of the "surface" premise.

My version: it is so sad this entire problem is derived from a deeply narcissistic autodidact whose ego was threatened by trivial criticisms and the loss of control over a narrative.

 

[Tell]

Sure. It was a video Ron from NRD post that said he was doing paid infomercials (my wording) for companies. I *think* he measured Tekton speaker or said something that was not to the liking of Eric. As with our situation, he showed emails and such. We all focused on the notion of what looks like a review but being work for hire for a company. But apparently Eric threatened him as well resulting in that video being taken down. Further, Eric claimed this was all setup to show Ron was doing paid reviews. Either way, his threats worked and that video is no longer in public.

In my research, I found that an owner had problems with the company so published a video called An Objective Review of Tekton Double Impact Speakers. That video also has disappeared but you can read about it a few posts down in this thread: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/an-objective-review-of-the-tekton-double-impact-speakers. The owner is apparently a famous saxiphone player and has his own channel and such.

Both of these instances gave me resolve to stand up to Eric Alexander's threats. And explained some of his actions (threatening people with legal force works).

Wow okay, he's been doing this for some time then, probably not impossible that he have done it more times than we know as well.
Then I got to give even more respect for you and Erin standing up to him! That guy really needs to get down back to earth, so lets hope this whole thing is over soon for everyone involved!

 

[ConnorG]

Here’s an interesting find: Statement from Eric regarding the bass response of the Troubadour vs Erin’s measurements. Can we actually trust Eric’s measurements either way?

 

[Astrozombie]

His attitude is going to tank his sales, ironically, so we'll see if he decides to blame Erin.

 

[kemmler3D]

I've had people critique my products in the past

Same.

IME by far the best way to deal with critique, especially in audio fora, is to acknowledge the critique head-on and explain the design decisions that may have led to the flaw identified. Play it straight, don't make excuses, but offer good explanations. This is something I have experience with, when I was in the speaker game I did most of our interaction with the public.

Speaker design is (correctly) known as a series of trade-offs... if you've actually put work into designing the product, then you can always spin a narrative as to why you made certain trade-offs, and come away sounding smart. The other people in the thread will typically admire your honesty and willingness to engage politely with criticism. They may not buy the product, but they will gain respect for the brand, and they might buy your next product.

It sounds simple and easy, but it's actually only simple. Emotions come into play very easily and it takes self-control not to take things personally and speak as such. I have a lot of respect for brands that come to ASR and engage because it's not as easy as it looks.

What you don't see is that from the manufacturer's perspective, it's not just that they have emotions tied up in the product itself, but they also see each good/bad interaction as potentially affecting their income. If you felt that you might get a pay cut every time someone said something bad about a speaker, I am sure you'd find it much harder to stay calm and objective.

Believe it or not, I credit taking art classes in college as helping me with that skill. Each week we'd have an art assignment and then we'd bring them in for the class to critique. At first, it's very hard to sit there and have your work picked apart! For me anyway, the first reaction is to take it personally. You can't do that, you have to beat it out of yourself. But that's what it takes if you're going to respond to reviews.

 

[Phineas Newborn Jr.]

That's sort of the "surface" premise.

My version: it is so sad this entire problem is derived from a deeply narcissistic autodidact whose ego was threatened by trivial criticisms and the loss of control over a narrative.

Well put!
To illustrate a similar type: we play pickup soccer on our town’s school field, and have been for years. Yesterday a man approached and introduced himself as a president of some lacrosse association that, according to him had a contract with the town to use the field, that we shouldn’t be there (the field was empty at the time), and that this first time he wouldn’t resort to the police escorting us off the field. I thanked him, and we went on. In the past I would’ve certainly pushed back, but decided to take the humble approach, thus giving him no basis for applying more douchebaggery. Had he been more aggressive and indeed attempted to involve the town police, he would’ve came out as a total tool.
Same would happen with the Tekton Man and his lawsuit. He is probably not accustomed to being contradicted or doubted in his professional and personal life. Whether it’s childhood trauma or something else, that’s his business. It’s sad that others must suffer from his perceived feeling of impotence in this matter.

 

[Descartes]

that's my favorite

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It shows what a nasty piece of work this Tekton individual is!

 

[Descartes]

I offered that in my first reply to Eric Alexander. I told him I would not only post his measurements demonstrating my "mistakes," I would even make a specific thread for it and promote it to home page. His response? He would only deliver such information as part of a video that he would create post litigation.

Pathetic response from an arrogant fool! Way to go Amir!

 

[Old Iron]

That's sort of the "surface" premise.

My version: it is so sad this entire problem is derived from a deeply narcissistic autodidact whose ego was threatened by trivial criticisms and the loss of control over a narrative.

Same.

IME by far the best way to deal with critique, especially in audio fora, is to acknowledge the critique head-on and explain the design decisions that may have led to the flaw identified. Play it straight, don't make excuses, but offer good explanations. This is something I have experience with, when I was in the speaker game I did most of our interaction with the public.

Speaker design is (correctly) known as a series of trade-offs... if you've actually put work into designing the product, then you can always spin a narrative as to why you made certain trade-offs, and come away sounding smart. The other people in the thread will typically admire your honesty and willingness to engage politely with criticism. They may not buy the product, but they will gain respect for the brand, and they might buy your next product.

It sounds simple and easy, but it's actually only simple. Emotions come into play very easily and it takes self-control not to take things personally and speak as such. I have a lot of respect for brands that come to ASR and engage because it's not as easy as it looks.

What you don't see is that from the manufacturer's perspective, it's not just that they have emotions tied up in the product itself, but they also see each good/bad interaction as potentially affecting their income. If you felt that you might get a pay cut every time someone said something bad about a speaker, I am sure you'd find it much harder to stay calm and objective.

Believe it or not, I credit taking art classes in college as helping me with that skill. Each week we'd have an art assignment and then we'd bring them in for the class to critique. At first, it's very hard to sit there and have your work picked apart! For me anyway, the first reaction is to take it personally. You can't do that, you have to beat it out of yourself. But that's what it takes if you're going to respond to reviews.

"Emotions come into play very easily and it takes self-control not to take things personally and speak as such"

People who can not stand back. And understand their patience being challenged.
Are somewhat doomed to suffer the problems.

Patience counted with a ticking clock.
Has long since slipped past your fingers.
~~~~~~
Peace

 

[Ramon Cota]

I have followed this story from the beginning and read most of the posts on here concerning it and i would like to share my take on this all :
ASR is like a Smurf village and we are all here Smurfs. Amir is Papa Smurf , Erin is great friend of Smurfs and Mr.Tekton is evil Gargamel who hates Smurfs and is plotting how to destroy our village.