End Game Speakers - The Quest Continues

[Pearljam5000]

 

[Purité Audio]

Well PJ different/ same/ similar?
Martin used to measure in a cupboard which couldn’t have helped.
Keith

 

[Ciobi69]

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Too expensive for that..

 

[poopy]

There isn‘t a plethora of ATC measurements.
Keith

Indeed, and those are for the SCM150A pro

 

[poopy]

Too expensive for that..

Indeed. Prices for a pair of SCM50/100/150 A pro should be instead $10k/$12.5k/$15k.

On vintageking, a pair of SCM150A is ~$23k !!

 

[Bruce Morgen]

I'd buy a Kii 3 pair with the "BXT" and "Control" options and be done with it -- no worries about amp capability/compatibility or cost, and they're not especially ugly. I'm done with passive speakers other than for the ambience/surround role -- YMMV.

 

[Ciobi69]

Indeed. Prices for a pair of SCM50/100/150 A pro should be instead $10k/$12.5k/$15k.

On vintageking, a pair of SCM150A is ~$23k !!

I bought used kef blade 2 meta for 12k awesome deal

 

[benanders]

… I should just get out of the hobby, maybe collect buttons instead, much easier on the pocket book

Nice to see the thread that got me posting on ASR entering 2.0 - thanks @MKR .

With regards to redirecting your efforts, careful, careful:

I’m guessing OBO won’t dip to $30K.

 

[benanders]

Not sure you can make them sound like Sonus Faber

@Pearljam5000 sure you can (photo): replace chair with speaker and, sorted. Ever hear a PJ concert with the lyrics passing through a headcold? Still awesome. Sometimes just gotta curb the enthusiasm for stuff ya like even more.

 

[benanders]

Yup, well aware of this, and I cannot explain. Very poor measurement no doubt about it, and should be very audible, which I certainly did not hear in my short time at the show. ... Ironic thing is these measurements better represent the very unpleasant Borresen monitors I heard rather than the ELACs

That the measurements better represent your perception of the Borresen’s (vs. Elac’s) in expectation, yes. But in reality, no. That’s the funny thing about how measurements can “work.”

I am going to try to reach out to ELAC US rep to see if I can get to bottom of this. Keep everyone posted. Funny thing is if I had known about those measurements prior I likely would not even had taken the time to listen to the speakers!

Measurements can help build bias towards an efficient mode of selection (for speakers), and I get the sound (pun!) reasoning in this. As with any other metrics-based candidacy, though, there’s always the risk it excludes something unexpectedly enjoyable. Keeps it extra interesting.

 

[MKR]

mkr thanks. Did you listen to the Margules speakers?

Very briefly. Sounded ok, but I didn’t listen long enough to give you any meaningful impressions, sorry. Below is a link to some comments I found that may be helpful. Note the speakers are $20k

The Magnificent Margules Group At FIAE 2024 Makin' more deep bass than should be legal. Florida International Audio Expo 2024 Show Report By Steven R. Rochlin

The Magnificent Margules Group At FIAE 2024 Makin' more deep bass than should be legal. Florida International Audio Expo 2024 Show Report By Steven R. Rochlin

www.enjoythemusic.com

 

[srrxr71]

Too expensive for that..

Agreed but I can understand how historically these did perform well for their time. At least it brought some of factors for good sound.

Most manufacturers are like that. They focus on a few things and those things make them sound better than the competition. Often targeting people who are particular about those factors.

Why compromise today when some manufacturers have comprehensively figured all of it out?

 

[flysouth]

Agree overpriced @ 20k and ugly

What on your short list get a thumbs up or down for looks?

 

[dfuller]

Agreed but I can understand how historically these did perform well for their time. At least it brought some of factors for good sound.

Most manufacturers are like that. They focus on a few things and those things make them sound better than the competition. Often targeting people who are particular about those factors.

Why compromise today when some manufacturers have comprehensively figured all of it out?

Honestly considering the home line is designed for grille-on use and it's a flat baffle it measures pretty decently.

 

[MKR]

D&D should release the new monitors sooner than they planned just for MKR so he could finally make a decision and we could all relax at last
Well at least until I start a similar thread for my own quest

Can’t wait for your quest! But I thought you had already decided on Genelec? Could it be possible you are considering there may be other fish in the sea? I sense a disturbance in the force

 

[MKR]

I'd buy a Kii 3 pair with the "BXT" and "Control" options and be done with it -- no worries about amp capability/compatibility or cost, and they're not especially ugly. I'm done with passive speakers other than for the ambience/surround role -- YMMV.

Thanks for the suggestion. Auditioned the Kii last year, was certainly on the original short list, dropped. A good design no doubt, but in the end I prefer other active options.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Can’t wait for your quest! But I thought you had already decided on Genelec? Could it be possible you are considering there may be other fish in the sea? I sense a disturbance in the force

Your thread made me rethink stuff but I'm pretty much still in the Genelec camp

 

[MKR]

Agree overpriced @ 20k and ugly

What on your short list get a thumbs up or down for looks?

Cosmetics are a very low priority for me, performance first. But to answer your question, I had no issue with the cosmetics of any of the speakers on the short list in the original post in this thread, but the Danleys get the award for least easy on the eyes, Legacy by far the nicest looking. For what remains, Soundfield and D&D, both are fine with Soundfield getting the nod for cosmetics. But again, don’t care too much about the cosmetics. Actually the best speaker cosmetic would be an invisible speaker, just a place in space projecting a wall of sound, but we aren’t there yet, maybe AI will design that for us

 

[MKR]

Your thread made me rethink stuff but I'm pretty much still in the Genelec camp

Happy to have been a bad influence

 

[Bruce Morgen]

Thanks for the suggestion. Auditioned the Kii last year, was certainly on the original short list, dropped. A good design no doubt, but in the end I prefer other active options.

Fair enough -- there's no reason one guy's "end game" can't be another's also-ran.