dic did this with the B1 years ago...You are falling in to the trap of supposing that more expensive equals better.
Two components of the same electrical value , you would need to make two assemblies and compare them blind.
Keith.
dic did this with the B1 years ago...You are falling in to the trap of supposing that more expensive equals better.
Two components of the same electrical value , you would need to make two assemblies and compare them blind.
Keith.
if you think these small companies are making shed loads your very much mistaken mike. the manufactorers get royally f*$ked by the distribution and dealer network... royally mike where the sun dont shine.Well you would think the end cost would reflect this belief then.
if you think these small companies are making shed loads your very much mistaken mike.
all high end audio is over priced, one of the factors in this is the guys designing the gear who set up on their own rather than work for KEF or Pionear dont know bugger all about running a business and even worse know nothing about manufacturing. running a design and manufacturing operation is a whole lot more complex than you think mike. much like running a restaurant is a whole lot more difficult than throwing good dinner parties for you mates.
You really have to look at pro audio for value for money.
Eventually I suspect a great many more manufacturers wil sell directly to the customer.
Keith
yes you have a DIY attitude, you think about your cost to buy components and build one offs with a bit of CNC work. that's not a reference for a manufacturing business mike. nor is it fair to condemn the whole world for providing products to a market at a modest profit\loss. its the distributor\dealer dynamic coupled with the lack of manufacturing knowledge and scale that pushes up the price of audio products. especially ones like vivid that are very very non regular to build. its not a simple bit of CnC.Maybe, but I also know what products I can buy as an end user that will deliver the highest performance for my hard earned dollar. When I'm shopping for products, what I get for my money is #1 to me. But it does help having 20 years experience building speakers to know what to look for.
yes you have a DIY attitude, you think about your cost to buy components and build one offs with a bit of CNC work. that's not a reference for a manufacturing business mike. nor is it fair to condemn the whole world for providing products to a market at a modest profit\loss. its the distributor\dealer dynamic coupled with the lack of manufacturing knowledge and scale that pushes up the price of audio products. especially ones like vivid that are very very non regular to build. its not a simple bit of CnC.
i agree with you, i think audio is a joke in many ways. i agree with your business model. i dont know why vivid dont just deal direct and just employ regional reps. you could pick up their speakers for half the price. lets face it, 10-15k is fair price 25+ is silly imo. but you can't blame the manufacturers mike, that's all we disagree on.There's other products out there from honest businesses that sell direct, or manufacturer/distributor direct as well you know. I'm not just talking about the cost to build things myself. But anyways I'm not in the passive speaker business. so people can choose what ever floats their boat for the price they want to pay. But if I'm asked to recommend something, it will be from a direct sales manufacturer that sells the same level of product for 1/3rd the cost.
i agree with you, i think audio is a joke in many ways. i agree with your business model. i dont know why vivid dont just deal direct and just employ regional reps. you could pick up their speakers for half the price. lets face it, 10-15k is fair price 25+ is silly imo. but you can't blame the manufacturers mike, that's all we disagree on.
what will be fun for you and may be hard is who pays the advertising budget, who pushes the products to review? that is what the distributor does, that their function. but without that money who is going to pay in your model??
yes i hate the hi fi press with a passion and agree with your sentiments but brand is what establishes people's confidence and sense of value. its the macro element that reaches far and wide, your sentiments are micro in nature. i rather agree with you but the humans are a fickle bunch, you're now dealing in a world that's beyond your sentiments, if you want to sell into it you have to play the game imo and that costs $$$£££.
anyway this has nothing to do with parts (well brand is a part but..)
i like what your doing and agree with you belive it or not but the world is not populated by guys like me.
We are trying to get HiFi Plus to review the Phison pre and power amp, Sonny and Alan are communicating directly, the magazine have generously sent me a 'media package' ( how much to advertise) we shall see if one is dependent upon the other!
Keith.
its ok keith is playing the game maybe i can pop up and listen to the whole combo then we can fill up a thread on how great the Phison stuff is.. that will help, if it is great that is
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Based on what I have read here from Mike , I still don;t get what is inferior about the parts used in the Vivid crossovers. It seems the speakers deliver on most counts .. Would they deliver more with other, "better" parts? I don't know. At this point of my audiophile life.. "Better" needs to be ...better established. Price is not a good metric of superiority.