Wow the apple audio dongle is wiping the floor with this and it's only 9 dollars.
I think this point needs to be highlighted. Their published specifications are reasonably met, so there is little or no deception or false advertising.
Wow the apple audio dongle is wiping the floor with this and it's only 9 dollars.
What is this if not false advertising?I think this point needs to be highlighted. Their published specifications are reasonably met, so there is little or no deception or false advertising.
Yes, indeed. And they appear to have a simple and honest refund policy.
Imagine being stuck with something you paid over $1000 for and it falls this short.
I wonder how their speakers will turn out, they went from the cool looking Arnie Nudell prototype to having a BG Neo tweeter in front of their BG Neo midrange and call it a coxial planar; I can’t for the life of me believe their claim that it won’t hinder performance; I need me some measurements.
The published specs are all but buried in there.
Ah, no. This is the page you get to when you search for it:Rather obvious if you ask me:
Rather obvious if you ask me:
Their published THD is terrible, I agree, and 20 times worse than the first CD players in 1983 and 100 times worse than some D/A converters you test. But the facts are, they are not misrepresenting the performance in what little specifications they provide. They are clearly "voicing" the product to be the way it is.
Their blurb is creative to say the least. State of the art is, by its very nature, a constantly moving target and I don't think you could tie that down as misrepresentation. It's typical of the gushing copy written by audio companies since day one. Specifications are what count to me, and testing against them.
Do I want to buy their gear? No chance. I don't buy hype, stories or the words of "Gurus". But I think it's important to be a voice of reason as I watch an angry mob of group-think torch bearers, drag down yet another "review" thread.
Need this chart to make it clear:Ah, no. This is the page you get to when you search for it:
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See the SPEC tab is missing? Only when you click on more info does it then give you the page you posted.
Even when you get there, percent numbers for distortion just don't register with people. Who remembers if good spec is 0.02% or 0.002% or 0.0002%. There is a reason people are shocked by my reviewed even though some of the similar data is on the website. The one or two mentions for distortion are just not seen or understood by people.
Some of the signal is lost below the noise.Anyone else think this is what the iPhone might be like if it were designed entirely by Jony Ive? PSA can produce a decent feature set, chassis, UI, and ad copy. They just don't know when to stop themselves & hire outside help.
One focus seems to be that their products need to stand out withgimmicksunique features. I trust that the DSD FPGA or Gain Cell works better in ad copy than in ASR's testing. Paraphrased as: "Anyone can put a Hypex module in a box, but we design unique solutions. You don't want to buy the same stuff everyone else sells, do you?" Too bad they missed the Hypex buffer memo.
If this sounds wrong, look at the Sprout review again. When the low price point simultaneously forces (engineering) & allows (marketing) outside electronics, the stuff works a lot better. OTOH, every time the budget allows PSA to run with a novel idea, Amir kills an innocent panther.
Everything's consistent here. Inevitable, really. It's the audio-design version of getting your Maserati up to 185 before checking that you're heading the right direction.
Finally, @amirm, please stop beating on that "zero loss" comment. This thing clearly adds a bunch of noise & distortion, but no thing's really lost, is it?
This is the type of statement I am talking about. Comparing a "dongle" with one input (a proprietary Apple connector) and a headphone output to this device is just pointless. They are completely different devices with different purposes.
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I can see 4 analogue inputs, 5 digital inputs and two sets of outputs. It's a domestic HiFi component, not a simple portable D/A headphone adapter created by a company who chose to remove a standard connector in order to make more money from their customers.
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Stick to the facts. The snide comments from left field do nothing to enhance the site, the members or it credibility.
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Even when you get there, percent numbers for distortion just don't register with people. Who remembers if good spec is 0.02% or 0.002% or 0.0002%. There is a reason people are shocked by my reviewed even though some of the similar data is on the website. The one or two mentions for distortion are just not seen or understood by people.
We had a discussion on this already: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/distortion-listening-test.8152/Or people like me who have been tought that harmonic distortion below 0,2% is inaudible with music and below 0.02% irreleveant in general.
https://www.klippel.de/listeningtest/lt/
They do say their products are ' state of the art' exactly that was said in the video put up here in one of the other PS audio product threads.I think this point needs to be highlighted. Their published specifications are reasonably met, so there is little or no deception or false advertising.
Judging by the factory video tour I linked in another thread, the company appears healthy, clearly productive, and perhaps they understand their customers well enough to continue designing products along the lines they are. They are not saying their products are state of the art as far as I can tell.
Care needs to be taken with reviews and comments to prevent ASR appearing like yet another internet web site with a vocal lynch-mob membership.
They do say their products are ' state of the art'