Neumann KH120 II

[Trell]

So ordinary metal dome with ordinary fabric surrounding. OK. Thank you.
Just never heard so stupid combination as “metal alloy fabric dome”.

Really hard to understand, and Neumann is definitely not the "stupid" party here.

 

[AgentWet]

And here you are asking a useless lazy question that a simple search will give you.

Where? Because on Neumann web is only this nonsense mentioned above. You genius.

 

[Trell]

Where? Because on Neumann web is only this nonsense mentioned above. You genius.

Did I mention the Neumann site at any point to you? No? Yes? Actually, not at all, in case you wonder. I did mention search, though.

When you're on page 33 in a thread about a particular monitor the chances are that most, if not all, of your questions are answered in that thread.

 

[AgentWet]

Did I mention the Neumann site at any point to you? No? Yes? Actually, not at all, in case you wonder. I did mention search, though.

When you're on page 33 in a thread about a particular monitor the chances are that most, if not all, of your questions are answered in that thread.

Your diagnosis is funny and sad at the same time.
I understand that you are here to protect your deity, but what you are doing is truly pathetic. Instead of answering a simple question, you attack the questioner and try to ridicule him by pretending you're smart and he's stupid. The opposite is true.

You'd be better off either answering or keeping quiet when you have nothing to say and don't know the answer.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Hi, has anyone here any idea what the KH tweeter is made of? I was asked Neumann “specialists” at Neumann web chat for it and as usually didn’t receive any reasonable answer. I was trying to tell them that “metal alloy fabric” is total nonsense and that nobody in the world ever seen such a thing. And why is everyone (their web, “pro” reviewers, simple everybody) repeating this nonsense for many years again and again. Can somebody here explain what this magic formula means in real world? I don’t understand why such valuable and PRO focused company is using such stupid marketing.

Who cares. Look at the results.

 

[JustCoolin‘]

„Metal alloy fabric dome“ is obviously a direct translation of the original German term „Metalllegierung-Gewebekalotte“, which makes perfect sense, and which Google as well as DeepL translate exactly like that as well.

Not sure how else you’d want to call it, but then I am not a native English speaker. What’s unclear about the term?

 

[Trell]

Your diagnosis is funny and sad at the same time.
I understand that you are here to protect your deity, but what you are doing is truly pathetic. Instead of answering a simple question, you attack the questioner and try to ridicule him by pretending you're smart and he's stupid. The opposite is true.

You'd be better off either answering or keeping quiet when you have nothing to say and don't know the answer.

What kind of answer would you give on page 33, in a thread named "Neumann KH120 II" : Does the Neumann KH120 II have a cabinet of MDF or aluminium? Or as you ask "Hi, has anyone here any idea what the KH tweeter is made of?"

The rest of your post that I replied to was "I was asked Neumann “specialists” at Neumann web chat for it and as usually didn’t receive any reasonable answer. I was trying to tell them that “metal alloy fabric” is total nonsense and that nobody in the world ever seen such a thing. "

With that attitude it's no wonder that they did not answer you.

 

[Trell]

„Metal alloy fabric dome“ is obviously a direct translation of the original German term „Metalllegierung-Gewebekalotte“, which makes perfect sense, and which Google as well as DeepL translate exactly like that as well.

Not sure how else you’d want to call it, but then I am not a native English speaker. What’s unclear about the term?

I'm don't have English nor German as native language and it's quite clear to me what is meant.

 

[teashea]

Hi, has anyone here any idea what the KH tweeter is made of? I was asked Neumann “specialists” at Neumann web chat for it and as usually didn’t receive any reasonable answer. I was trying to tell them that “metal alloy fabric” is total nonsense and that nobody in the world ever seen such a thing. And why is everyone (their web, “pro” reviewers, simple everybody) repeating this nonsense for many years again and again. Can somebody here explain what this magic formula means in real world? I don’t understand why such valuable and PRO focused company is using such stupid marketing.

And we do know is that it is excellent.

 

[teashea]

So you failed the search.

Don’t worry as this is similar to the run of the mill questions where a quick glance in the manual would answer their question. And then they feel insulted for being reminded where to read, and then whine about it.

Indeed.
Well stated.

 

[dfuller]

It's not a metal fabric - it's a hard dome. It shows the same ultrasonic behavior as any other non-beryllium metal dome, ie breakup mode in the mid-high 20s of kHz. I believe they stick a piece of fabric or something on the dome to contain the breakup modes some...

If somebody would be enterprising enough to take that grille off the tweeter (looks like it comes off with the screws on the mounting flange?), we could know for sure what's going on.

 

[teashea]

Your diagnosis is funny and sad at the same time.
I understand that you are here to protect your deity, but what you are doing is truly pathetic. Instead of answering a simple question, you attack the questioner and try to ridicule him by pretending you're smart and he's stupid. The opposite is true.

You'd be better off either answering or keeping quiet when you have nothing to say and don't know the answer.

Your question was answered. You are the one who is acting inappropriately.

 

[Trell]

Your question was answered. You are the one who is acting inappropriately.

Agree. To be honest, it was the abusive language he had in his communications with Neumann (as he wrote in his post that I originally replied to) that pissed me off:

'I was asked Neumann “specialists” at Neumann web chat for it and as usually didn’t receive any reasonable answer. I was trying to tell them that “metal alloy fabric” is total nonsense and that nobody in the world ever seen such a thing.'

Generally I don't reply with "Search the thread" type of answer.

 

[AgentWet]

„Metal alloy fabric dome“ is obviously a direct translation of the original German term „Metalllegierung-Gewebekalotte“, which makes perfect sense, and which Google as well as DeepL translate exactly like that as well.

Not sure how else you’d want to call it, but then I am not a native English speaker. What’s unclear about the term?

No, it makes no sense. Because Gewebe means fabric and it's totally clear that their tweeter is hard metal dome and no fabric!

 

[AgentWet]

It's not a metal fabric - it's a hard dome. It shows the same ultrasonic behavior as any other non-beryllium metal dome, ie breakup mode in the mid-high 20s of kHz. I believe they stick a piece of fabric or something on the dome to contain the breakup modes some...

If somebody would be enterprising enough to take that grille off the tweeter (looks like it comes off with the screws on the mounting flange?), we could know for sure what's going on.



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Thank you. Finally somebody who is not repeating marketing BS and using own brain instead. I'm almost sure, that their tweeter is conventional titanium dome just with some small fabric surrounding. Simply the same as every other titanium dome tweeters. Of course good quality and matching etc... But with all benefits and flaws as well. In their new DSP line they can easily remove all bad behaviour above 20kHz with DSP filtering and then it can sounds almost ideally. One day I will take a knife and do some cut through to see what magic is hidden under the metal dome. 99% sure that there is nothing.

 

[AgentWet]

Your question was answered. You are the one who is acting inappropriately.

No it wasn't. Just repeating BS. Only dfuller was the first who's answer did make sense.

 

[boxerfan88]

If it makes no sense to you, so be it!
To many of us, we don’t care what you think!!
The tweeter is extended, clear and sounds so good, that we care!!!

 

[Fontie]

You could try Google for it, just saying.

lol what a douche answer

 

[Tom67]

Are there some brands that perform as well as these that don’t look so cheap and plasticy. The molded Genelecs are even worse. They look like miniature water, softeners or some utility container. You would keep in the garage. I need something. My wife would let me keep in the house.

 

[samuelddy]

I received a pair of KH 120 II's today. I spent a few hours comparing them to a pair of KH 150's.

It was easy to match them in terms of level and the frequency switches. I do not think that this was an accident. I think that Neumann audio engineers very deliberately work to make their monitors have that family sound. (which is flat frequency response with low distortion).

I should note that I am a strong supporter of measurements and science and am always skeptical of subjective evaluations. I think this comes from my prior life as a psychologist.

Any way ------ this is my initial impression, yet to be confirmed with more listening comparison.

I cannot tell a difference between the KH 150's and KH 120 II's - with the exception of bass in the lowest octave.

I should also note that (except for EDM, which I do not listen to), it is a very rare pop, country or hip hop song that has any content down there. Producers very deliberately cutoff those bottom frequencies, even in the very unusual circumstance that the recording has any music down that low.

I had to very deliberately search for songs with content at a frequency low enough to distinguish the KH 150's from the KH 120 II's.

I will also be comparing the KH 120 II's to my KH 120's.

Here is a size comparison between a KH 120 II (left) and a KH 120.
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Looking great! I heard that they changed the material of the enclosure, and I'm curious if the build quality in general is still as good as the mk1? I'm looking to upgrade my focal alpha evos to either the 120 mk1 or the mk2. The enclosure of the evos crackles occasionally and it literally sounds like crushing plastic water bottles.