New mysterious Genelec monitors

[Sokel]

U.K. price confirmed at £30k ( each) first production run isn’t until August so Pearljam start saving.
Keith

So 70K euro for pair,our PIs here are spot on!

 

[dasdoing]

So to what length do we want to go to measure this speaker? Assuming Genelec is willing, I would need a professional crew to help unpack and load it up on NFS platform. I will likely need to build a crane to hang the thing from the ceiling, etc. Let's say we are talking $1,000 for this. Genelec of course would have to chip in with shipping which will cost near this. Do we think it is worth going through such an expense and effort for something that almost none of you will buy?

In my opinion, considering Genelec's apparent lack of Klippel technology (if that is indeed the case), and given the influence of ASR as a marketing platform for them, it would be in their best interest to prioritize measurements and assume the associated costs. This is especially important when it comes to flagship products that contribute significantly to brand building.

 

[Purité Audio]

Yes spot on, £60k is not cheap, but for a complete system, GLM, online back-out/advice and if you compare it to the ‘boutique’ high end offerings …
Keith

 

[dedobot]

Yes spot on, £60k is not cheap, but for a complete system, GLM, online back-out/advice and if you compare it to the ‘boutique’ high end offerings …
Keith

60 meters of a decent speaker's cable

 

[RickNRoll]

I always thought a point was a lot smaller than that.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I'm surprised it doesn't have a built in DAC like the rest of the Ones

 

[新しい人]

I'm surprised it doesn't have a built in DAC like the rest of the Ones

8381A has digital inputs, how can there be no built-in DAC

 

[Pearljam5000]

8381A has digital inputs, how can there be no built-in DAC

I don't see the specs of it so I assumed

 

[dedobot]

I'm surprised it doesn't have a built in DAC like the rest of the Ones

The DACs must be in the amps. The speaker cabinet haven't digital inputs. 2 high level speakOn inputs /bottom and uper section/ and rj-45 for the LED's power/control. That's everything at the cabinets.

 

[voodooless]

Of course it has DACs. It’s a DSP system with GLM integration.

The cabinets are passive, the amps contain all the electronics. They are massive BTW, 6U per speaker!

 

[Spocko]

Interesting people could be disappointed by this announcement. Genelec came out with a speaker designed profoundly different from the rest of their speaker portfolio.

Maybe it’s just sour grapes because it isn’t relevant as a home speaker, but talk about a tough crowd.

I think it's sour grapes because it's so expensive. Comments about it being ugly are ridiculous given its target audience: pro studios who want something compact/functional without any design gimmicks to waste cost

 

[Pearljam5000]

Which is better ?

 

[Pearljam5000]

I think it's sour grapes because it's so expensive. Comments about it being ugly are ridiculous given its target audience: pro studios who want something compact/functional without any design gimmicks to waste cost

@$50K They would have sold many more units

 

[thewas]

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Which is better ?

The 1236A has a bit higher max SPL and is better suited for soffit mounting, the 8381A has smoother horizontal and vertical directivities and much bigger freedom of placement and would be my personal choice if I could afford them.

 

[sarumbear]

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Which is better ?

Not for the same use. Those are for soffit mount, which is no longer used in studios.

 

[srrxr71]

@$50K They would have sold many more units

Oh yeah I’d be going crazy right now. My dealer would have gotten a deposit already. Not shipping until September and the shipping costs look scary.

Not for the same use. Those are for soffit mount, which is no longer used in studios.

Why have they stopped doing it?

 

[Adi777]

soffit mount, which is no longer used in studios.

Seriously? Why? I thought that placing the speakers in the wall would provide the best possible quality.

 

[Spocko]

@$50K They would have sold many more units

Keep in mind that all Genelec speakers are expensive because they are manufactured in Finland, and these are particularly expensive because they have unique drivers and designs that are not shared anywhere else so the cost of their development is 100% amortized by these speakers alone. For example, The Ones have at least 4 different sizes to offset their development cost over a greater volume of sales.

For the sake of discussion, hypothetically, if it costs them $10 million to develop these speakers and the benefits of that development cannot be applied to any other speakers in their lineup, and they want to recoup that cost over 5 years, that's $2 million per year on top of the cost to manufacture each unit. If they sell 100 pairs per year for the next 5 years, each sale will have to include an additional $20,000 to recoup the original $10 million development cost. After 5 years, the price of the speakers may then be discounted because the $10 million have been repaid so we'll be at your $50K budget!

 

[srrxr71]

Seriously? Why? I thought that placing the speakers in the wall would provide the best possible quality.

This has been discussed a lot and someone will hopefully go into more detail but basically you eliminate SBIR. The sides and back waves are “swallowed” by the wall.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Not for the same use. Those are for soffit mount, which is no longer used in studios.

They don't have to be mounted (at least some people don't do it)