Audiophysik wie empfohlen eingesetzt: leicht breites Stereodreieck, Zehen-zu-Gesichts-LP (keine der Seitenfläche des Lautsprechers ist sichtbar)
My room: 32 feet deep, 18 feet wide, with an L shape opening to 30 feet wide at the speaker end. 12 fiberglass absorbers 2" thick spaced 2" off the wall, 2'x4' each. 3 large sofas (used as bass traps).
Speakers:
Near field - JBL 308p mkII, 6 feet apart, against the front wall, for listening position 6 feet from the wall. Using digital EQ (APO, with a stereo IR file derived from REW measurements) to cut the bass enhancement due to wall proximity, Used for mixing, mastering, and most listening. Typically at 65-75 dBSPL
Far field - JBL Eons, circa 2006, 400W per side. 18 feet apart, listening position 20 feet from front wall. Used mostly for in-studio jams and movie watching. Typically at 75-85 dBSPL.
Both sets of speakers are toed in to point directly to listening positions.
Why talk about the room and treatment? Because it has far more effect on the sound than the speaker types or positions or toe-in.
Hello all,
I would like to contribute my experience to this exciting discussion.
My SCM40 sound great. For a long time I listened to them by moving the speakers from the wall into the room and put them in the isosceles triangle. Wonderful, great deepness, good center and relaxed listening. One time i did not know what I wanted to hear, so i started to put the speakers just a meter from me, That Sound was also also very impressive. Or in a very wide triangle... that gives loooooooot of space. All fine, but I never had a good location of the instruments in the stereo image. At some point I wanted to know if it was simply the speaker or something else and i read the entire internet ;-)
There was a hint in a forum that the locating ability may have to do with the distance of the speakers to the listener. So I moved in small pieces of the isosceles triangle the speakers away from me and towards me. The distance between the speakers remained the same.
At some point it was clear. Further away the image becomes narrower and puting it closer, the Image geht wider. So at some point I hit the ideal point where the image had exactly the width and depth to be able to see the instruments very well. since then the stereo image fits and I move the ATC nothing more.
Maybe this is for one or the other a tip to try it.
Greetings
Having the same room would be more relevant, than having the same speakers in a different room.As I have the same speakers as you, it would be interesting to know what distance from the speakers you ended up with, and the distance between the two speakers?
Having the same room would be more relevant, than having the same speakers in a different room.
The room will have enough impact on sound that it is irrelevant. You can try it easily by moving your speakers in an other room, they will be not sound the same, not even close, just moving them around the room will do that as well, but less drastic.
On that vain, moving where you seat is also a very important factor on what you end up hearing form those speakers.
Yes, we have that in common, trying to take the room out of the equation, emphasis on trying.I like a fairly small listening triangle to maximize the ratio of direct sound vs reflective sound.
Yes, we have that in common, trying to take the room out of the equation, emphasis on trying.
Still, even in that scenario, place that same “small listening triangle” with the same speakers in a different room, just for giggle and tell me again it is “not just about the room”.
An other fun exercise is to place tape marks on the floor where the speakers are, and switch with an other pair of speakers you have in an other room set up. They will sound different than in the other room, also different from each other, of course, but some of the characteristics of that particular speaker placement in that particular room will still be there, common to any speaker you will place on the tape marks.
Even when trying to take the room out of the equation, the impact of the room on what we ear is under evaluated by most. A few simple test from room to room is an easy way to ear it, it does not cost anything and for some (me) can even be pleasant.
I agree about the importance of the room, however I have found in experiments with many speakers in many rooms that a listening triangle of 8'-10' seems to work best. I have played around with much larger and smaller triangles in large rooms and played around with positioning in more modest rooms, and if it is possible to get the speakers and listening position in this configuration without getting too close to room boundaries, this size seems to work best.Having the same room would be more relevant, than having the same speakers in a different room.
The room will have enough impact on sound that it is irrelevant. You can try it easily by moving your speakers in an other room, they will be not sound the same, not even close, just moving them around the room will do that as well, but less drastic.
On that vain, moving where you seat is also a very important factor on what you end up hearing form those speakers.
No doubt, for me, 6 to 8 is more in line with what I like.I have found in experiments with many speakers in many rooms that a listening triangle of 8'-10' seems to work best