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Your mind is telling you the one you spend so much money on and want to prefer is the one you prefer, so all is good in your world, lucky you.Comparing to Aeon 2 Noire is not really fair, but
Your mind is telling you the one you spend so much money on and want to prefer is the one you prefer, so all is good in your world, lucky you.Comparing to Aeon 2 Noire is not really fair, but
For me I like to rotate between headphones and compare. As far as I know amirm mains a DCA Stealth. Is it also just because he wants to prefer it?Your mind is telling you the one you spend so much money on and want to prefer is the one you prefer, so all is good in your world, lucky you.
mdr-zx110ap version has a microphoneFor me I like to rotate between headphones and compare. As far as I know amirm mains a DCA Stealth. Is it also just because he wants to prefer it?
I must say those Sonys aren't bad. Comfort wise they are one of the most comfy On-Ear headphones to wear. It would be even better, if they were wireless and given a microphone.
It's not wireless though and a microphone in front of the mouth will make better call quality.mdr-zx110ap version has a microphone
I'm gonna complain about how mediocre these headphones sound and ignore the Amir's crucial EQ recommendation
Maybe 'poking around' isn't the best method.With or without EQ, these things are truly horrible. A pair landed in my lap for free, so I had a bit of a listen, poked around with DEQ and promptly threw them in a drawer as 'emergency headphones'. Let's hope that 'emergency' never occurs.
How can a test be blind? You feel the shape of the pads on your hears no? tested compared to what?Maybe 'poking around' isn't the best method.
"I must say, I was not prepared for the transformation that these four filters made. The result was an extremely accurate and audiophile headphone! If I performed a blind test, I am pretty sure many people would think this is a high-end headphone. It certainly beats out majority of speakers out there. I was most impressed with detail, clarity and spatial effects. The latter was also a surprise. Maybe the drivers sit an angle and provide for better results there. While you don't have a huge soundstage, the instrument separation is quite good and satisfying." - Amir, who based his EQ on actual measurements
The listener would have no idea which set they are.How can a test be blind? You feel the shape of the pads on your hears no? tested compared to what?
Although this literalism is kind of missing the point....that with a few well chosen bumps in EQ, Amir reports that these phones can sound excellent -- I will engageHow can a test be blind? You feel the shape of the pads on your hears no? tested compared to what?
I am saying it’s not really a blind test.Even if that's necessarily true (and that's arguable) it would then prove even more remarkable if the user ranked its *sound* high, no?
Are you arguing that they can't sound 'high end' after a few judicious EQ tweaks, contrary to Amir's report? Or are you obsessing over protocol details of a hypothetical blind test (one for preference, not difference).
That would be the issue---no test could be entirely "blind", these zippy little lightweight on-ear 'phones can be differentiated from something with big earpads like the Sennheiser HD 5XX or 6XX series by feel alone. Comfort might be a factor of this sort as well.Even without knowing the brand, having this on your ear you know instantly it’s something cheap
That would be the issue---no test could be entirely "blind", these zippy little lightweight on-ear 'phones can be differentiated from something with big earpads like the Sennheiser HD 5XX or 6XX series by feel alone. Comfort might be a factor of this sort as well.
Maybe 'poking around' isn't the best method.
"I must say, I was not prepared for the transformation that these four filters made. The result was an extremely accurate and audiophile headphone! If I performed a blind test, I am pretty sure many people would think this is a high-end headphone. It certainly beats out majority of speakers out there. I was most impressed with detail, clarity and spatial effects. The latter was also a surprise. Maybe the drivers sit an angle and provide for better results there. While you don't have a huge soundstage, the instrument separation is quite good and satisfying." - Amir, who based his EQ on actual measurements
Personally I come here more for the measurments than for Amir’s subjective evaluation, no need to « engage in the substance of what Amir’s reported » I don’t have an opinion on this I haven’t tried it. But, if proper blind test methodology don’t matter to you, and visibly, measurments don’t matter much neither since these measure objectively horribly, then are the subjective listening test the only valid point to be taken from these reviews? In all case, no doubt this EQ will help these headphones sound better, yes that (Eq/Bypass) can certainly be quite conclusive blind. But preference to different headphones, there would be too much bias to have any results that are more conclusive than sighted, and bias is not only one direction you know.So, obsessing about hypothetical protocol details in a hypothetical blind test Amir posits . Not engaging with the substance of what Amir reported. Got it.
Yes, changing two variables at once is not clean experimental design.
A test for *difference* where the task is to correctly identify A and B would be fatally confounded by the need to wear the headphones.
A test for *preference* recognizes that you can tell A from B. It's a given. Hypothetically, one could ask you to report which headphone sounds more or less 'high end' from among two or several. The feel of the phones could be a fatal confounder if the sound of the Sonys tended to be ranked low compared to more comfortable phones.
What would be harder to explain on that basis would be if the sound of the Sony tended to rank high among phones that were similarly or more comfortable.
That might be an implication of Amir's report, though he did not equate 'high end' with ear comfort. He was pretty clearly referring to the sound only.
If you're saying it's impossible evaluate headphone sound preference blind.... Sean Olive would disagree, citing Harman's use of virtual headphone test methodology. I would guess Amir is aware of this. Ask him if that's how he would perform his blind test.
Now would anyone like to offer a reason why Amir's report, of which the hypothetical blind test is just one aspect, couldn't reflect reality? So far all I see is argument from incredulity on that front.
Was wondering if Anirm bought a pair that got some upgrades but still had the same seriel number MDR-ZX110. Could that made a difference in performance.I gave away mine.
Usable for video conferencing, very position/seal dependent.
EQ may get tonanilty a bit better but distortion is not 'salvageable' and compression already starts above 70dB SPL.
Even at low listening levels with not even 'Harman' bass correction the distortion is already off the charts.
It is one of the worst measuring headphones I came across in the years I have been at it, save some few $ crap.
Should I need a lightweight cheap on-ear headphone I would prefer the 3x more expensive KPH30i