Are crossovers in speakers overrated?

[Westsounds]

Enthusiasts get as passionate about crossovers and discussions about them as they do in a good speaker cable or interconnect bun fight.

 

[jhaider]

Enthusiasts get as passionate about crossovers and discussions about them as they do in a good speaker cable or interconnect bun fight.

False equivalency. One is a (passive or active) signal processor. The other is just wire.

Now, if you’re talking about specific crossover parts (as opposed to circuit design) more often than not you have a point.

 

[Westsounds]

False equivalency. One is a (passive or active) signal processor. The other is just wire.

Now, if you’re talking about specific crossover parts (as opposed to circuit design) more often than not you have a point.

It's was just a generalisation of passionate behaviour actually. Nothing to do with the subject relevance. Although both do alter sound in different ways.

 

[DonR]

It's was just a generalisation of passionate behaviour actually. Nothing to do with the subject relevance. Although both do alter sound in different ways.

Unless the cable is underrated, faulty or has some strange and unusual capacitive or inductive characteristics, it will not alter the sound.

 

[kongwee]

Well, you can have $20 (20+ LCRs)crossover that flatten much more than $250 board (less than 10 LCR) flatten much less frequency respond.

 

[Westsounds]

Unless the cable is underrated, faulty or has some strange and unusual capacitive or inductive characteristics, it will not alter the sound.

If you are using identical cables with identical structure yes. The trouble is all cable is made different and has different properties so it is a factor on overall presentation. Nowhere near as much as some would like you to believe (or pay) but it does influence sound.

 

[kongwee]

If you are using identical cables with identical structure yes. The trouble is all cable is made different and has different properties so it is a factor on overall presentation. Nowhere near as much as some would like you to believe (or pay) but it does influence sound.

Very fast people will slam you those graphs that you can't see the different in measurement.

 

[Westsounds]

Very fast people will slam you those graphs that you can't see the different in measurement.

Exactly the sort of passionate behaviour I was talking about. The good thing is science is willing of debate but there are still passionate people within it If people can't differentiate using their own sensory systems and only rely on what they see in front on them science never really progresses.

 

[DonR]

If you are using identical cables with identical structure yes. The trouble is all cable is made different and has different properties so it is a factor on overall presentation. Nowhere near as much as some would like you to believe (or pay) but it does influence sound.

What "different properties" are these?

 

[jhaider]

It's was just a generalisation of passionate behaviour actually. Nothing to do with the subject relevance. Although both do alter sound in different ways.

No.

 

[Westsounds]

What "different properties" are these?

Everything it's made of and how it's constructed. These are so varied in the vast amount of options available to us. Let's just talk extremes then if you like, 100% solid core copper is going to be different to 100% stranded silver, if there is such a thing as 100% anything, they are usually blends of metals. But the cable market has everything in between as well.

 

[DonR]

Everything it's made of and how it's constructed. These are so varied in the vast amount of options available to us. Let's just talk extremes then if you like, 100% solid core copper is going to be different to 100% stranded silver, if there is such a thing as 100% anything, they are usually blends of metals. But the cable market has everything in between as well.

How will they be different? What electrical properties exactly are you talking about?

 

[Westsounds]

How will they be different? What electrical properties exactly are you talking about?

I'm talking about the final influence on the sound as you hear it. They will be different. Not better or worse that is subjective.

 

[DonR]

I'm talking about the final influence on the sound as you hear it. They will be different. Not better or worse that is subjective.

How do you know? What is the science behind this influence? You state a fact: "They will be different" but you have yet to explain why.

 

[Westsounds]

How do you know? What is the science behind this influence? You state a fact: "They will be different" but you have yet to explain why.

It's audibly different.

 

[Blumlein 88]

I'm talking about the final influence on the sound as you hear it. They will be different. Not better or worse that is subjective.

Not subjective..... full stop. Almost any configuration will have ZERO subjective effect. You are in the wrong forum for such loose use of science.

 

[Blumlein 88]

It's audibly different.

Bzzzzzzt! Wrong.

Need to up your game.

 

[DonR]

It's audibly different.

Is it or do you just think it is? And again I ask what is the science behind the claim? I am beginning to think you don't know.

 

[Westsounds]

Science is not just full stops. It's full stops and then further inquiry. Measuring devices don't tell you everything, they tell you only what you are measuring. People hear differences, a lot of it is in their heads granted but there is still things to learn. Science is primitive at times in relation to our brains but it does improve all the time as well.

 

[kongwee]

Exactly the sort of passionate behaviour I was talking about. The good thing is science is willing of debate but there are still passionate people within it If people can't differentiate using their own sensory systems and only rely on what they see in front on them science never really progresses.

They need "science" since they don't have the luxury to listen $1 cable up to $100,000 within 2 hour reach.