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PA and Studio Monitor speakers vs HiFi modified sound

...Bad reflections happen much less with PAs and studio monitors.
You'd really need some evidence of this. It might be true that bad reflections happen less in properly designed studios and mixing rooms, which use lots of absorption materials on the walls without concern for the aesthetics or the other residents of the house. But it would take a spinorama to know the directivity, and it would take knowing the directivity to support any statement about reflections. Many speakers sold as studio monitors, along with many sold for home use, have spectrally uneven directivity and reflections are therefore spectrally distracting. But even my cheapie (and not very good) Alesis Monitor Ones have wide-dispersion bi-radial horns (aka, waveguides) on the tweeters, and claim to be designed for near-field listening. In a reverberant room, reflections will abound with such a design.

Rick "not seeing the distinction other than in classification for marketing purposes" Denney
 
Am I missing something here? I'm not sure how this has anything to do with the main point of the member who's post you quoted. What am I missing?
OP lumped PA/Monitors together.
 
Another factor I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet is the prospective clientele for various speaker types.

PA is going to be largely about sound output and getting the most for a specific weight, especially if it's gear used on tour. Sound quality is definitely a factor but at the same time most PA gear can be really quite rough and ready because the sound technicians will be running multiple different profiles depending where a speaker is situated and rather elaborate DSP or control panels so really accuracy is something that gets dialled in after the fact really. The buyer's for this stuff will get the sound they want through sheer graft.

Studio monitors are all about neutrality and details, except things like mix cubes or NS10's which are mainly used to see how something sounds on a lesser system. Studio monitors have the benefits of everything self contained and no faffing with amp matching etc, DSP, active crossovers etc. One of the main arguments people make against monitors over hifi speakers for casual listening is the idea monitors aren't loud enough to fill a room and have dispersion characteristics that make them unsuitable. That's pretty much all myth though as most monitors these days can get plenty loud enough and have directivity that matches or sometimes exceeds various hifi gear. Buyers for these are professionals that to be honest aren't so concerned over looks, despite modern monitors looking pretty good these days, and also aren't usually willing to be frivolous in the way a casual listener might be with hifi gear and spending for the sake of spending. To these people it's a work tool and they are educated enough to know if a company is selling them something that meets the claims of the manufacturer. And this is why some people are using monitors outside of studios and for hifi listening.

Hifi speakers are a mixed bag, some have there own sound profiles, and some are flat just like monitors but are made to be pretty or appeal to an audience via grand claims that pretty much 99% of the hifi crowd aren't knowledgeable enough to disprove and so they can be marked up at silly prices and they can be made cheaply with sloppy crossover design and components but for the majority of customers, because let's face it, even us discerning people on this type of forum are a small minority on the scheme of things. There's no need to engineer something so well like with studio monitors because average Jo Blog's who's watched a YouTube review or seen an article in some hifi publication buys into the hype completely blind hook line and sinker. And this part of the market is where people are gullible enough to believe that higher cost equals more quality. There's a reason various hifi channels and pundits like to steer people away from studio monitors, because if someone went this route it's very unlikely they would go back to hifi gear, at least with the same nievity.
 
Another factor I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet is the prospective clientele for various speaker types.

PA is going to be largely about sound output and getting the most for a specific weight, especially if it's gear used on tour. Sound quality is definitely a factor but at the same time most PA gear can be really quite rough and ready because the sound technicians will be running multiple different profiles depending where a speaker is situated and rather elaborate DSP or control panels so really accuracy is something that gets dialled in after the fact really. The buyer's for this stuff will get the sound they want through sheer graft.

Studio monitors are all about neutrality and details, except things like mix cubes or NS10's which are mainly used to see how something sounds on a lesser system. Studio monitors have the benefits of everything self contained and no faffing with amp matching etc, DSP, active crossovers etc. One of the main arguments people make against monitors over hifi speakers for casual listening is the idea monitors aren't loud enough to fill a room and have dispersion characteristics that make them unsuitable. That's pretty much all myth though as most monitors these days can get plenty loud enough and have directivity that matches or sometimes exceeds various hifi gear. Buyers for these are professionals that to be honest aren't so concerned over looks, despite modern monitors looking pretty good these days, and also aren't usually willing to be frivolous in the way a casual listener might be with hifi gear and spending for the sake of spending. To these people it's a work tool and they are educated enough to know if a company is selling them something that meets the claims of the manufacturer. And this is why some people are using monitors outside of studios and for hifi listening.

Hifi speakers are a mixed bag, some have there own sound profiles, and some are flat just like monitors but are made to be pretty or appeal to an audience via grand claims that pretty much 99% of the hifi crowd aren't knowledgeable enough to disprove and so they can be marked up at silly prices and they can be made cheaply with sloppy crossover design and components but for the majority of customers, because let's face it, even us discerning people on this type of forum are a small minority on the scheme of things. There's no need to engineer something so well like with studio monitors because average Jo Blog's who's watched a YouTube review or seen an article in some hifi publication buys into the hype completely blind hook line and sinker. And this part of the market is where people are gullible enough to believe that higher cost equals more quality. There's a reason various hifi channels and pundits like to steer people away from studio monitors, because if someone went this route it's very unlikely they would go back to hifi gear, at least with the same nievity.
Great post ! Actually I made a test for myself. 2 x PA speakers and a pair of Monitor speakers. I played them alongside my HiFi , no matter how I modify my HiFi , really no matter - PA and monitors are giving much better clarity and sensitivity response. But again this is a matter of taste. It is a rough sound but does not hide anything. I of course still love HiFi it is just much more problematic and fatiguing.
 
Another factor I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet is the prospective clientele for various speaker types.

PA is going to be largely about sound output and getting the most for a specific weight, especially if it's gear used on tour. Sound quality is definitely a factor but at the same time most PA gear can be really quite rough and ready because the sound technicians will be running multiple different profiles depending where a speaker is situated and rather elaborate DSP or control panels so really accuracy is something that gets dialled in after the fact really. The buyer's for this stuff will get the sound they want through sheer graft.

Studio monitors are all about neutrality and details, except things like mix cubes or NS10's which are mainly used to see how something sounds on a lesser system. Studio monitors have the benefits of everything self contained and no faffing with amp matching etc, DSP, active crossovers etc. One of the main arguments people make against monitors over hifi speakers for casual listening is the idea monitors aren't loud enough to fill a room and have dispersion characteristics that make them unsuitable. That's pretty much all myth though as most monitors these days can get plenty loud enough and have directivity that matches or sometimes exceeds various hifi gear. Buyers for these are professionals that to be honest aren't so concerned over looks, despite modern monitors looking pretty good these days, and also aren't usually willing to be frivolous in the way a casual listener might be with hifi gear and spending for the sake of spending. To these people it's a work tool and they are educated enough to know if a company is selling them something that meets the claims of the manufacturer. And this is why some people are using monitors outside of studios and for hifi listening.

Hifi speakers are a mixed bag, some have there own sound profiles, and some are flat just like monitors but are made to be pretty or appeal to an audience via grand claims that pretty much 99% of the hifi crowd aren't knowledgeable enough to disprove and so they can be marked up at silly prices and they can be made cheaply with sloppy crossover design and components but for the majority of customers, because let's face it, even us discerning people on this type of forum are a small minority on the scheme of things. There's no need to engineer something so well like with studio monitors because average Jo Blog's who's watched a YouTube review or seen an article in some hifi publication buys into the hype completely blind hook line and sinker. And this part of the market is where people are gullible enough to believe that higher cost equals more quality. There's a reason various hifi channels and pundits like to steer people away from studio monitors, because if someone went this route it's very unlikely they would go back to hifi gear, at least with the same nievity.
•PA Speakers play loudest.
•Studio Monitors play accurate.
•Hi-fi speakers play better.

•Can the active/powered speakers last long, in a daily listening for long hours situation at home?
•Are the active/powered speakers compatible in a home theatre system?

Three of them designed for dedicated use. Choice depends upon our taste and preferences.

Confusion of a common man is cleared through the measurements & reviews by experts like Amir Sir and the experiences shared by our forum members.
 
•Can the active/powered speakers last long, in a daily listening for long hours situation at home?
Depending on brand yes. I own Genelec and I'd expect them to be serviceable for decades. Probably longer than other HiFi brands.
•Are the active/powered speakers compatible in a home theatre system?
Depending on brand yes. Probably better than most HiFi brands.

 
•Hi-fi speakers play better.
Ideally, all speakers should be accurate. PA speakers may have different compromises, and home speakers may have different (and more) compromises.

•Can the active/powered speakers last long, in a daily listening for long hours situation at home?
Traditional recording studios operate more than 8-hours a day and the monitors are often played a high levels. But active speakers do have "more that can go wrong" and they may not be as serviceable as passive speakers, especially after several years.

I read a story about Motown frequently blowing midranges back in the old days, to the point where they were keeping spares on-hand. They were using a "hi-fi" speaker... Maybe AR3s?

•Are the active/powered speakers compatible in a home theatre system?
Not all AVRs have preamp outputs (except for the subwoofer). Mine doesn't.

And you need a power outlet (or extension cord) at every speaker location.
 
There is considerable spread among PA systems, most easily quantified by how many people listen at a time. (Numbers here are what I made up)

Club PA:
- max 200 people

Small concert PA:
- max 2000 people

Arena PA:
- over 2000.
Generally uses flown line arrays with beam steering for dispersion/directional control, and subwoofers on the ground.
 
Depending on brand yes. I own Genelec and I'd expect them to be serviceable for decades. Probably longer than other HiFi brands.

Depending on brand yes. Probably better than most HiFi brands.

Legendary brand, second to none in recreating the original recorded sound.
You a proud Genelec owner is vouching for the same.
Everything good comes at a cost, and they are pretty expensive.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
 
Ideally, all speakers should be accurate. PA speakers may have different compromises, and home speakers may have different (and more) compromises.


Traditional recording studios operate more than 8-hours a day and the monitors are often played a high levels. But active speakers do have "more that can go wrong" and they may not be as serviceable as passive speakers, especially after several years.

I read a story about Motown frequently blowing midranges back in the old days, to the point where they were keeping spares on-hand. They were using a "hi-fi" speaker... Maybe AR3s?


Not all AVRs have preamp outputs (except for the subwoofer). Mine doesn't.

And you need a power outlet (or extension cord) at every speaker location.
Thanks for supporting my views and clearing my doubts. You've infact elaborated my points.
 
Legendary brand, second to none in recreating the original recorded sound.
You a proud Genelec owner is vouching for the same.
Everything good comes at a cost, and they are pretty expensive.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Yes , Genelec are great but one can buy really decent PA speakers and monitors for a really decent price - this is again an enormous proof how much snake oil and overpricing exist in HiFi, hopefully Studio stuff plays fair and stays away from this HiFi world where people spend for one 5k for a speaker cable.
 
Yes , Genelec are great but one can buy really decent PA speakers and monitors for a really decent price - this is again an enormous proof how much snake oil and overpricing exist in HiFi, hopefully Studio stuff plays fair and stays away from this HiFi world where people spend for one 5k for a speaker cable.
In seperates, cost of each hi-fi component add up to a big amount, there's no upper limit. But the sound reproduction has its limitations.
Even the new Class D mini amps are going the same path: Mono blocks, pre-amp, external power supplies and that much external connections.
Making every thing complex in the name of pure audio.
I can't afford to be an audiophile, I will stick to the simple and affordable system;
Which I'm trying to figure out.
 
In seperates, cost of each hi-fi component add up to a big amount, there's no upper limit. But the sound reproduction has its limitations.
Even the new Class D mini amps are going the same path: Mono blocks, pre-amp, external power supplies and that much external connections.
Making every thing complex in the name of pure audio.
I can't afford to be an audiophile, I will stick to the simple and affordable system;
Which I'm trying to figure out.
You are lucky that you understand it. But even if you got crazy rich now , no HiFi would make you 100 % glad because HiFi means diverting from the original sound. That is why HiFi up to only few thousand makes sense to me - if at all. When I look at all those audiophiles who spend thousands of dollars on improving the sound I always wonder if they realize how much they are lost in this business being ripped off. I actually sank in HiFi world as well but much less expensive. Hopefully I understood the meaning of sound production at the end and how these things relate to each other.
 
You are lucky that you understand it. But even if you got crazy rich now , no HiFi would make you 100 % glad because HiFi means diverting from the original sound. That is why HiFi up to only few thousand makes sense to me - if at all. When I look at all those audiophiles who spend thousands of dollars on improving the sound I always wonder if they realize how much they are lost in this business being ripped off. I actually sank in HiFi world as well but much less expensive. Hopefully I understood the meaning of sound production at the end and how these things relate to each other.
I learnt the basics through this forum.
Even if I get rich, I won't go crazy, I agree with your sound logic.
 
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