I like the sound of a near/mid field listening with good monitors. If I want a concert I go to a concert. Just my opinion. The shows I attended with such large setups sound bigger and larger, but not "better" IMHO.
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Your loudspeakers are too small!
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8331 can't even physically produce "deep bass" since it has steep internal high pass filter. I sort of understand your hyperbole, but playing "loud" is not the same thing as playing "full range" with a large setup, which creates whole different sensations and largeness even with moderate volumes.
My unscientific observation is that the bass from twin open baffle 15” woofers is more realistic and convincing that that from Paradigm Studio 100 V5’s, even though extension is limited to about 50 hz on OB.
But the high end is far better on the Paradigm, with its mid/dome tweeter vs a moderately expensive Tangband fullrange.
Bass isn’t just a cone area difference, of course, the room loading is different with zero response 90 degrees off axis.
But the high end is far better on the Paradigm, with its mid/dome tweeter vs a moderately expensive Tangband fullrange.
Bass isn’t just a cone area difference, of course, the room loading is different with zero response 90 degrees off axis.
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My woofers are approximately 68 inches by 28 inches just like my tweeters.
DanielT
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Bass, sub frequency. For quality sensible (low) level of distortion and straight FR (plus a little something else that has to do with room acoustics). In addition, size matters. Sufficient air must be pumped. For that you need a lot of power (amplifier), large speakers (a lot of volume), large x-max. Large simply. This is how the laws of physics work.
Of course you can "cream out" from small subwoofers, plus EQ like a fool, but then there is a great risk that there will be problems with distortion (yes it will then be audible).
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There will be problems, small sub, at a really big volume increase ..Incidentally, a problem that even small full-range speakers also suffer from.
I should add, there can be problems of a different kind with too many subwoofers.
This looks yummy, doesn't it? Double 18 "in each speaker.
(not mine, unfortunately, hooray my neighbors say about my lack of them).
Of course you can "cream out" from small subwoofers, plus EQ like a fool, but then there is a great risk that there will be problems with distortion (yes it will then be audible).
Edit:
There will be problems, small sub, at a really big volume increase ..Incidentally, a problem that even small full-range speakers also suffer from.
I should add, there can be problems of a different kind with too many subwoofers.
This looks yummy, doesn't it? Double 18 "in each speaker.
(not mine, unfortunately, hooray my neighbors say about my lack of them).
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Vuki
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Whaaat?
Robin L
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"And the rest of your junk ain't nuthin' to brag about either!"
MrSoul4470
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They play down to almost 40 Hz in my room and it is the most precise bass I've ever had. But I do admit I am not a bass guy and for other people the quantity of bass might not be enough. In fact I have EQed them flat from 40 to 20.000Hz and more bass would annoy me, because it covers detail in other frequency ranges. Like I said: Get speakers that suit your needs and application and I might hate speakers that you love. So, generalizing "your speakers are too small" is just nonsense.
It's an alert that there's nothing of worth involved.
MrSoul4470
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To me it sounds like something everybody wants. Who could resist? "Do you want a speaker with micro-dynamics or you just don't care?" "No, yes, I want it!!"
DanielT
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Sound with audible distortion is "cloudy" not clear sound. Maybe that's what is meant?Hear details that is.This applies to loudspeakers. Amplifiers in overdive, which are really driven into clipping that sound can not be missed. Details in the sound of a character who was not really meant to be there, so to speak.
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Or it has no meaning whatsoever but sounds good. I remember Allen Wright always using the slogan "downward dynamic range," which was similarly more of a fortune cookie slogan than anything with actual meaning.
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I thought ASR threads turn to poop at the 3rd page but we managed it with only 2 this time, nice.
Neither do I, but wouldn't micro-speakers be best for this..?
If you have experience from "better" setups and know what you are missing or not missing, then good for you. It's your preference and nothing wrong with that. In my "hifi" setup I could not live without 30-40hz as it's crucial and nothing to do with "quantity". Leaving it out would have to be conscious decision, and not based on some "real music doesn't have deep bass" forum nonsense that you sometimes see here.
My livingroom setup is just TV's (QN90A) own speakers which cuts off at 100hz, I'm perfectly fine with that as my personal preference, as the quality and loudness is more than enough for the needs there. I wouldn't generalize that it has "plenty of loudness and dynamics" though, no matter if I can get my ears ringing or not.
That's the word I was searching since my RME DAC arrived and I compared its sound with my beloved tube amp. The latter is "cloudy" in comparison. Sounds like heaven, but in a cloudy day. Thanks.
DanielT
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You can test it yourself. Most people guess at the speaker. I'm not so sure. Probably a mix of everything.
Insanely distorting speakers or amplifiers driven into clipping?
What do you think. I tried turning the volume up a lot on my Tablet, a Lenovo Yoga. I listened to my Lenovo, with its built-inthe amplifier / speakers. It sounded ... too damn bad. What do you think it depends on? The amplifier that is driven into the clipping or the speakers that start to...
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